According to the San Diego Union Tribune at the end of the year Dean Spanos will fire Turner at the end of the season, and is 75% likely to can Smith as well

no, fire his ass now before he lucksacks 9-7 and a wild card

end of the calender year or in the offseason?

firing before the offseason is smarter because HC candidates will consider your team as a possible destination earlier on, and it can get lodged into their head that SD would be a favorable destination

12-0 imo, remember we're talking about 1.) chargers here...norv has an amazing lack of WIM

Cowher or Gruden would be like 5 WAR v. Norv.

ESPN speculates Andy Reid might be the fit if he gets fired in Philly.

this thread is just waiting for the lulz tonight

Norv fired, AJ Smith fired, Philip Rivers...?

It's not an auction. It's actually worse than a forced sale as far as leverage is concerned.

In this case competitors of the Chargers benefit if the Chargers have to burn up so many resources on a backup QB getting franchise-player money.

So the market stays soft. The best offer in an auction under these circumstances is going to be lower than when the holding team is still interested in keeping him (or at least where it is an option).

This is not free agency where the holding team is one of the bidders.

Go check out some bankruptcy or forclosure auctions and report back on how those forced sales generated maximum returns. Yes, those are auctions with multiple bidders, but SURPRISE! The fact the seller is leveraged lowers the market.

in other news the colts cannot trade the #1 pick because the entire league will lowball them.




edit to add: foreclosure market proves my point. Prices are buyer-driven. In a good economy there is a negligible foreclosure discount. In a bad economy there is a sizable discount. So you must be arguing that the market for quality NFL QBs is pretty slow.

Poor analogy.

The colts can still keep the number one and get full value from it.

If it happened to be the case that the league forced the colts to draft Luck, sign him, and then trade him, the Colts would not get the same deal. Of course under the new salary structure, that may not result in much of a drop.

Prior to that, like when Rivers was signed to a huge contract, it is a different story. Brees was one year from free agency with a franchise tag available; knowing that the chargers were stuck with River's huge contract it seems teams didn't offer much for Brees. Once he was franchised, a team would have to give at least 2 first rounders for him. Where was your bidding war? Was it a "slow market for quality qb's?"

No. The Chargers shot themselves in the foot and they got nothing for Brees (which is my point from the get go).

No team even offered the two first rounders as the Chargers had no leverage (and I am sure multiple teams were interested, but your "crazy auction" theory did not come into play.

except no

Okay, so you think the Chargers played it correctly. They have one established and one-first round qb under contract, pay both of them for two years while only one can play, then get nothing when Brees leaves as a free agent.

I disagree, but you seem pretty invested in your opinion on the matter, so I'll let you be.

fyp

Who cares about markets and buyer driven prices lol market neglible crap... it isn't rocket science. There is no need to be all advanced, leveling each other. It is quite simple... and brings it back to my initial post.

As soon as they draft Eli Manning 1st round it's game over. Because now you have to pay 1st round QB money to a guy that is going to be backup? Never happens... the writing is always on the wall no matter how well Brees played AJ Smith was just looking for any opportunity to get rid of him. Boom shoulder injury boom enter Rivers bye bye Brees.

They weren't going to get any value out of Brees after his "shoulder injury"... they basically tried to make it look like his career was over ship him off and that Rivers was their only decision (which it was and had always been). Brees is the better QB imo AJ Smith failed. I think Rivers is good at times, but not on the same level as Brees. He has him trumped on mobility, pocket presence, touch pass, and decision making ability. When Rivers lines up in the shotgun and then dropsback an additional 10 yards we've got a problem.

Just my thoughts...

1 more tidbit... in that 2004 draft with the 1st pick in the draft with Drew Brees and LT in the backfield. We could have selected Larry Fitzgerald instead of Eli Manning, now what kind of team would that have been? Brees, LT, Fitz, and Gates. I give credit to AJ Smith because he has made some really good decisions and made some really good draft picks, but you can't deny there has been some monumentally bad mistakes and decisions. Some decisions that could have changed the face of the franchise.

If after 2004 he still felt like Brees wasn't good enough, then he was in position to draft Aaron Rodgers in 2005. These are facts.

11-1*

*loss coming when they had a 6 point lead with a minute left and Rivers managed to **** up trying to kneel out the clock.

oh great the chargers are gonna make the playoffs, please fire norv anyway

jfc youre so results oriented. Drafting a QB that year was the right move, up to that point Brees had not shown anything resembling what he is today, how are you going to pass on 3 huge QB prospects?

I agree with your thoughts. The bolded is exactly my point to begin with. I took it one step further in that because they essentially forced themselves to have Rivers as a first choice they blew it by not getting anything for Brees PRIOR TO THE INJURY when he would have brought two first rounders at a minimum because he was franchised. Even if Brees didn't get injured, the Chargers simply ruined their options and essentially traded one last year of Brees (with Rivers under contract) for nothing.

Lol it obviously was not the right move look how it has turned out. This isn't a poker analysis where you got your money in good as a 3:1 favorite and got unlucky... this is was a bad play by AJ Smith and company that doesn't deserve to get rewarded. How do you pass on 3 huge QB prospects? Easy... you have Drew Brees. And, you can select Larry Fitzgerald to help him. Please name 1 WR from 2003 on the Chargers without using Google. Even though you will use it anyway and say that you didn't bahahah.

I can go into reasons why Brees wasn't "Brees" until 2004 season and give you insight, but i'm not going to don't feel like it. Maybe another time. And, I already kind of have. I'm not results oriented these were just bad decisions, even though Rivers has had some amazing statistical seasons. Drew Brees was not the weakness of the Chargers at any point in time, even while he was still developing. You address the weakest part of your team in the draft. That's all I've got for now.

Still fire his dumb ass.

For all I know you have a point (I didn't read beyond this point), but do you have any idea how silly you sound saying stuff like this?

If you don't read then don't comment. 37k worth of uselessness.