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Why would that cause worry?

You think every single recruit who had an offer from one of the 5 schools implicated and who choose a different school are paid by the other school? I don't.

If Bagley went to a d3 school that might ring some alarms, but he didn't.

Brian Bowen got 100k.

Zona recruit is already proven in these released statements getting paid (Quickley.)

Bagley is like the best recruit of the past couple seasons. Not a chance they didnt offer him money too. Get real here.

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09-27-2017 , 03:36 PM

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Brian Bowen got 100k.

Zona recruit is already proven in these released statements paying Quickley.

Bagley is like the best recruit of the past couple seasons. Not a chance they didnt offer him money too. Get real here.

so you don't think Bagley could say no to money if he was offered (which is still purely hypothetical)? Jay Williams is on the record saying he turned down money as a high schooler. I don't know if he is lying or not, but it seems possible. I am sure that someone has turned down money before and made their own choice.

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09-27-2017 , 03:40 PM

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Also, when you're one of the best prospects in a decade you would seemingly be LESS likely to take money given you are more certain to make it in future years and being in the right situation is worth a lot more than $100k as a slip in draft stock from #1 to #2 is worth multiples of that just in year 1 salary alone.

Pick 15 to pick 16 is actually where the year 1 gap becomes less than $100k so if you're actually an elite recruit you might be doing more harm than good in taking money to play for a worse program.

Its not really hard to believe that Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, Michigan State, Arizona, and maybe even UNC are worth more than $100k.

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09-27-2017 , 03:40 PM

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So Duke just recruits such upstanding young men that they turn down the dollar signs from the USC/Arizona bidding war to attend Duke for free for 6-9 months?

I dont see it. Much likelier he got money to go to Duke imo.

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09-27-2017 , 03:46 PM

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2014-2018 Duke recruiting classes have been ranked #1 or #2 pretty unanimously (along with Kentucky).

Before 2014, Duke had two top-6 recruiting classes dating back to like 2005 according to 247. Looking at ESPN rankings, Duke was often more in the 10-15 range of class rankings.

Seems like something changed there pretty recently, but I have nothing to base that on beyond class rankings. I don't remember Duke really going after obvious one-and-done guys until more recently, though.

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09-27-2017 , 03:46 PM

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Any recruits who are coming from impoverished backgrounds may not be able to hold out for the extra year if their family really needs the money.

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09-27-2017 , 03:47 PM

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LOL

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09-27-2017 , 03:49 PM

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Great, the FBI is going to use a **** ton of resources to go after kids getting paid who should be paid in the first place. One of the few innocuous areas of "corruption." Fantastic. How about you invest in and investigate actual, prevalent corruption among political, financial and other business leaders. For **** sake.

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09-27-2017 , 03:57 PM

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CDL, pm me ur weed guys number. U high AF brah. I need somd of that

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09-27-2017 , 03:58 PM

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one and done recruiting (Kyrie being the first in 2011) and Olympic coaching visibility and endorsements from guys like LeBron/Kobe/Melo/Durant/Steph for Coach K surely played a role in that

moreover, why would we be paying now but not in 2005? We had plenty of money then to pay guys so Coach K just had a change of heart?

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09-27-2017 , 04:00 PM

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have any 5 star recruits in the last 5 years not been paid cash? If so which ones?

If they are all getting paid then where do the payments stop? Are 3 star guys still getting cash? what about 2 stars?

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09-27-2017 , 04:16 PM

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moreover, why would we be paying now but not in 2005? We had plenty of money then to pay guys so Coach K just had a change of heart?

I dunno. Maybe they were tired of losing recruiting battles and having relatively mediocre classes? I don't know when these huge payouts started happening, but I imagine they would be pretty harmful to Duke's competitive advantage in recruiting if Duke wasn't also participating.

K was the national team coach before the 08 Olympics, and there wasn't really much of an uptick in recruiting until 2014. 2009, 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes were ranked between 9-15, which is quite a bit worse than rank 1 or 2 every year for four years running.

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That's one way of putting it.

Another way it is that EA decided to kill the series because that was preferable to sharing the profits they had been raking in with the likenesses of athletes they were using without permission.

(I miss the series too

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Yep, I imagine that is the case. Maybe they even figured that the overlap between Madden buyers and NCAA buyers was small enough and that enough NCAA buyers would be converted to Madden, which would more than makeup for the small amount of profit left on NCAA after profit sharing.

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09-27-2017 , 04:29 PM

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you can't be ranked in the top 2 or 3 without one and dones. Its mathematically impossible since most of the top recruits are one and done AND you have fewer openings every year due to less turnover. If you don't recruit those guys (which Coach K purposefully didn't until Kyrie and then the 2015 national title team class) you can't be that high. Other schools recruiting more 4 year players would suffer the same issues.

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09-27-2017 , 04:32 PM

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So a crappy program like my own ASU is still likely guilty of this, but can't offer the larger numbers, so we only get the scraps.

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09-27-2017 , 04:37 PM

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Nike and Adidas are going down. Things are looking up for BBB.

Speaking of the 2017 draft picks, could this be why the top recruit of that class went to a school with no basketball history?

It isn't just Nike and Adidas. There are reports that the head quarters of LA Gear and Crocs have been raided as well.

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09-27-2017 , 04:39 PM

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why the **** would anyone be paying 2 and 3 star players? it makes no sense. And it also makes perfect sense that top programs don't have to pay for guys that ****ty schools would have to pay for.

Like if you could play at Duke/Kentucky/Kansas/Michigan State/UNC/etc. for one year then get drafted in the lottery or make $100k to play for Auburn are you really going to Auburn? I don't think many guys would so I don't think those programs need to pay every 5 star just to make sure the likes of Auburn don't steal them away.

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09-27-2017 , 04:42 PM

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I feel bad for the kids that didn't get paid.

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09-27-2017 , 04:43 PM

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My boss's little brother was the #2 recruit in the nation for football. He got offered under-the-table money by every school in the nation except Notre Dame (which i believe) and, supposedly, Nebraska (which i don't believe, that's where he ended up going). He blew out his knee as a freshman or sophomore and dropped out of school but has had a six-figure job working for a booster for 35 years since.

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09-27-2017 , 04:45 PM

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I feel bad for the kids that didn't get paid.

many people are saying that no such kid exists in d1. I asked where the money stopped and got 0 responses and many people have said that every program is involved (different than boosters paying on the side without the program having a reasonable expectation of knowing this is occurring either from specific boosters or to specific recruits).

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I think you're assigning way too much correlation between school and NBA draft position. The last two #1 overall picks haven't made the NCAA tourney.

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CDL, what you are missing is that UofL is no Auburn and they are being investigated and are almost surely paying for recruits. I guess you can argue they aren't UNC, Duke or Kansas either.

Why would anyone pay for a 2 or 3 start recruit? The same reason people pay for a 5 star. They want their school to have recruits they wouldn't otherwise get.

Also, MSU does not deserve to be listed in the group of elite basketball schools.

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Is there going to be any punishment for the players and families accepting the bribes?

What ever the penalty for tax evasion is... maybe.

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What ever the penalty for tax evasion is... maybe.

I feel like the better thing for the FBI will be to get millions or billions from the shoe people. They'll probably try to roll up the payees on the payers imo.

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09-27-2017 , 04:53 PM

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I think you're assigning way too much correlation between school and NBA draft position. The last two #1 overall picks haven't made the NCAA tourney.

Agree. Top college recruits are usually top NBA recruits no matter where they go to College. Skills don't change that much in 1 year.

Heck, we knew 4 years ago that Bagley would be the #1 prospect in this class.

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