It's probably better not to ignore all the evidence and official advice especially if you're black or gay.

"The attacks happened after Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia and Hungary recently adopted national and regional laws to forbid publicly expressing support for LGBT people's human rights.

The new laws criminalise what is termed "homosexual propaganda" which can include rainbow flags or public messages such as "homosexuality is normal"."

http://www.theparliament.com/policy-...on-homophobia/

You appear to be an apologist for racism, anti-Semitism and homophobia.

Here you go Hoopie argue with the Government and Amnesty International

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) issued a travel warning to gay people "Although homosexuality is legal in Ukraine, public attitudes are less tolerant than in the UK and public displays of affection may attract negative attention.

"There is no provision under Ukrainian legislation guaranteeing freedom from discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and there has recently been an increase in hostility towards the LGBT community."

Amnesty International campaigner Max Tucker said: "Gay England football fans will have extremely good reason to be concerned.

"Not only will they have to deal with violent football hooligans who deliberately target gay people and people of ethnic minorities, they will also face an extremely corrupt police force who have a track record of beating and mistreating people because of their sexual orientation."

Where the **** do I appear to be an apologist for those things? Anti-semitism (unless you include it within the topic of racism) hasn't even been discussed. You are - you don't just appear to be - a complete **** and a ****ing ******.

You advise people to ignore the Panorama documentary. It's wall to wall anti-Semitism at the matches they showed in the Ukraine and Poland. Your abuse is typical of a certain strain of football fan.

Wow, hold on a second! People tend, and you "appear to be" throwing these kind of accusations at other people as an easy-way-out ad hominem, and a rather vicious one at that.

Hoopie1 disagreed with traveller advice given to the people by the British government. That surely makes him a raging racist, homophobe and antisemite (what?).

Calm down, dude.

I know where this is going..

Someone please make a spascwoc containment thread and don't let him post anywhere else.

Which abuse?

Tell it to Hoopie. He started off with this personal stuff.


"It's probably a better thing to do than listen to Cwocwoc. Or the Panorama "documentary".

There is nothing "vicious" about pointing out that Hoopie is telling everyone to ignore all the evidence in the Panorama documentary which is completely backed up by other sources like Amnesty International etc. Let's face it they are backward in the former Eastern bloc countries when it comes to racism, anti-Semitism and homophobia. Ukraine and Poland should never have been awarded the competition.

OMG you're denying your own posts now !

"You are - you don't just appear to be - a complete **** and a ****ing ******."

I thought you meant in reference to people of some ethnic group or similar. My error.

Having been labelled an apologist for racism, anti-semitism and homophobia, I think it was justified.

Anyway, enough of tarding up this thread. I'm not going to engage with you any longer for the sake of anyone else reading this ****, I wonder why I did in the first place after the Terry Connor "debate".

LOL!

I'm done with this discussion, and so should you be. Please refrain from calling me an anti semite because I disagree with you. Thanks.

there it is, and here we go!

You got personal first mate and it's a fair description if you are denying the advice and evidence of the government all other organisations like Amnesty International as well as the evidence of your own eyes if you watched the Panorama documentary.

LOLOLOLOL!

Did Gelfand really botch this?

Also:

LOLOLOL wrong thread

Hoopie denies all the evidence including that shown in the Panorama documentary. That makes him an apologist for anti-Semitism, homophobia and racism.

I am not interested in Terry Connor. He came and went some time ago.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/pr...gnore&u=100284

I haven't called you anything so I guess I CAN call you dishonest now.

Yeah I saw it and stoped watching it after 5 minutes, beacuse they didn't even know the geography(they don't even know were Czech republic and Austria are loooooool) and their translation from Polish to English was wrong + they focused on the towns that will not even host the EURO for **** sake...
It's easy to go out find a bunch of nazi scums and make it apear like the whole country is like that. It's easy to pick up few incidents from the stadiums and say : look this is happening all the time.

Hard core Ultras fans( extreme right , left or apolitical doesn't matter) support their clubs , not their national teams. Most of the idiots you've seen on this show will not be in the stands , beacuse they just don't care.


Do you really belive that in EUROs there will be people in the stands shouting antisemitic slogans and doing monkey chants while beating non-whites. Come on...... Never gonna happen


Rasicm and antisemitism are big problems in our world. But if you want to address the issue DO IT RIGHT and show it like it trully is.

Your abuse was not justified it was unpleasant and infantile. What makes you such an expert on racism, homophobia and anti-Semitism in the Ukraine and Poland ? Don't you think it would be sensible to find out before denying it all and lashing out at others who are trying to inform you ? Instead you get abusive like a football yob.

Based on Cwocwocs logic all Americans are stupid. You don't belive me? Watch this



Everybody shown in this video is stupid... so all Americans are stupid.

They counted TWO HUNDRED times in 18 months in the football stadia. You could see that no-one seemed bothered by it all.

I don't know about beatings before and after games but the authorities will crack down on it in the stadia to avoid bad PR but it will carry on as soon as the Euros are over.


That's what people are trying to do. Denying it all, as you appear to favour, gets us nowhere.

You appear to deal in prejudice not logic. Prejudice is stupid when it denies the facts staring them in the face.

lol. This is ban worthy imo.

Just stop littering every football thread with content that isn't related to football.

No they are using racism to make sensationalistic story which will get them views. It's a piece of crap. And I am not denaying that problems exsist. They do. But if you want to tackle them , do it the right way.
ps.: How are all the Polish workers and imigrants treated in UK Cwocwoc? Everything is okey and nothing bad is happening to them....