Two Escobars
Winning Time
Once Brothers
16th Man (though the book this is based on is really great)

fun but not as good
Silly Little Game
King's Ransom
Small Potatoes

I enjoyed The U a lot but not everyone's favorite.

edit: best 10 seconds of the series

my son and i loved the show tonight on marcus dupree. he sure got used by those closest to him.

i am glad it was 2 hrs. i learned a lot about his situation that i did not already know.

true dat. Anybody think he looked like Lebron? haha. Anyway, yes it was cool to see how the coaches treated their prospects back then. To those who say he was a great talent...he reminded me of many of kids i played basketball/baseball/football with from 8-15 years old that just happened to hit adult hood faster than anybody else. He was just an all around freak at way too young of an age that everybody caught up with.

Anybody here old enough to know why he was cut/remember watching him? It was pretty awesome to see a washed up has-been work his ass off and get back into the league. doubtful youd see that today.

Seattle Mike Williams is doing this just this season.

mike williams sucks big fat penis, dudd

Well, it's not like this guy set the world on fire either, there's a reason the title of the documentary was the best there never was. Pretty sure the Mike Williams comeback is already better than Dupee's, he rushed for a grand total of 250 yards and 1 TD over two years.

like i said dude, and this is an honest question. Did you ever play with a dude like that? It seemed like I played with about 2 people over my meaningless career that basically just hit manhood before anybody else. Dupree looked like he was 30 years old at 18. I was just saying it was cool he busted his ass to become a player after being 100 pounds overweight. Dupree seemed to basically lack a father figure who didnt bust his ass but was so damn talented he gave up. Thing is, how often you see a 6'3 240 back? he never would have been great imo. But cool Documentary anyway.

also, his rookie season (and i think college is a joke, especially for runningbacks) was a monster season (set the world on fire) 7.5 y/ p/c. 12 tds i think

I don't even understand what you're looking for. Dupree didn't grow fast, get to college and struggle. He probably would have been the best back in the country for 3 years if he didn't throw a pissy fit and give up. Those guys who mature early struggle when they get to college and everyone else is big.

I was pausing it and reading the articles they were showing on the screen and it said he had another hamstring injury and also a staff infection in his big toe

Good point VV, I remember there was a kid a few years younger than me growing up who was about the biggest phenom in memory named Schea Cotton. Seriously, Lebron-like hype relative to the attention of the day. But it turned out that he basically had a 17 year-olds body at 13 and just never got any better after that. He's now apparently a streetball legend or something like that.

wrong ZB. Look at him in high school. The dude absolutely looked like a MAN. And he did do well in college, but some people have said hed be the best ever "if". It was more like He was the best until everybody caught up with him. He was such a freak he matured into a man when most kids were growing boys still in college. Another question is, is it possible his injury was because his body grew too fast for his legs? (im not a doctor i just wonder if maybe his injury was caused by the fact his legs grew too fast for him). The dude had some great moves though. To me, he was a mix of Griffey Jr. (didnt care about conditioning) and Brandon Jacobs. Very cool Doc though

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What you're saying makes no sense.

When he was a freshman he wasn't playing against other freshman. He was playing against the best players those other colleges had(mostly elder classmen I would assume back then). So if he was a badass as a freshman, he's probably going to improve and continue to dominate if he stays healthy through the rest of his college career.

Now obviously he may not have been the best in the pros, who knows. But he wasn't just a case of someone playing against smaller competition once he got to college. Those guys were done growing and he was still doing exceptionally well. Even more so when you factor in that he apprently was never in good shape and always "hurt".

I just got into my prime athletically at 24. He could have definately been at his physical peak at 18-19 years old. I know plenty who that happen too.

Also, you're saying the competition/talent is consistent. Im saying he wasn an outlier who got hurt and never recovered. But ultimately, he was simpy a runningback. Who can only succeed substantially through certain circumstances. His time simply ran out in both areas.

also ZB, im considering wear and tear, as I
feel thats a big problem with his career peak/downfall.

this is a fun topic either way though.

Also, so you're not confused, because I didnt specifically respond to this.

I kind of did, but im saying ya, he was a 30(or close enough) year old man physically facing 18-20 year old kids. Thats why Im saying he was physically gifted compared to them. Thats why I didnt feel he struggled. Man amongst boys, even at college level. Especially at that time.

Sorry ZB, thats what i was intially getting at.

I'd say it's more that he didn't take care of his body and put in the work that led to his many injuries.

It really says something for Barry Switzer and all those other people to say he was the best athlete they had ever seen. They weren't BSing either. You realize Switzer coached a ton of other amazing college (and pro) players and had just finished coaching heisman winner and 3-time all pro Billy Sims right?

I think switzer was being nice

I want it all to be true because it makes the story better but I have a feeling it was somewhat embellished.

I find the 100 yard (they said yard right?) dash time highly suspect and call 100% complete bull **** on the Texas coach saying he saw him bench press 400 pounds 10 times in high school.

Don't get me wrong, for those arguing whether he was a manchild or truly one of the best, I still think the latter. To take 5.5 years off and injury prone and still make it to the NFL is special. Maurice Clarett is a 3rd string back on a minor league football team now for comparison. I was just put off by those two stats as I don't believe them and hope the rest wasn't just as exaggerated


edit: I was really looking forward to this one from the preview and had no clue who this guy was going in. I really liked it, was a good story.

wth happened to the 30 for 30 on Steve Bartman? I just looked at the website and they have 30 films listed, but none of them are on Steve Bartman.

postponed til 2011 by the director's request.

Yeh Bill Simmons said that it is going to be really, really good. I'm looking forward to that one.

That is just going to be way too depressing.