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09-17-2023 , 12:46 PM
Pickford clean sheet would definitely crown this week's circus we call FPL
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09-17-2023 , 12:51 PM
That definitely looked like a handball
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09-17-2023 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tall Paul
Offside was the right decision. The deflection off the Everton player isn't a deliberate playing of the ball as defined in the laws.
I'm always curious what constitutes deliberate in these cases. I mean he clearly makes a deliberate action to cut out the pass.

Does he actually need to deliberately pass the ball to the other team to qualify?
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09-17-2023 , 01:01 PM
Anyway, there it is.
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09-17-2023 , 01:01 PM
Great goal. VAR one time?
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09-17-2023 , 01:01 PM
Passed it into the goal. Great finish.

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09-17-2023 , 01:02 PM
Best Belgian winger at it again
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09-17-2023 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Reynolds
I'm always curious what constitutes deliberate in these cases. I mean he clearly makes a deliberate action to cut out the pass.

Does he actually need to deliberately pass the ball to the other team to qualify?
From the Laws
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*‘Deliberate play’ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:
  • passing the ball to a team-mate;
  • gaining possession of the ball; or
  • clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it)
If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball.
The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have ‘deliberately played’ the ball:
  • The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it
  • The ball was not moving quickly
  • The direction of the ball was not unexpected
  • The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited
    contact/control
  • A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air
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09-17-2023 , 01:16 PM
Ok guess he was too close then.
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09-17-2023 , 01:18 PM
what odds on this year culminating in dyche relegating bumley from the premier league for the third time, and has that ever happened before
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09-17-2023 , 01:21 PM
Lol only 4 minutes
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09-17-2023 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Reynolds
I'm always curious what constitutes deliberate in these cases. I mean he clearly makes a deliberate action to cut out the pass.

Does he actually need to deliberately pass the ball to the other team to qualify?
Short answer yes
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09-17-2023 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Lol only 4 minutes
Decisions for arsenal?
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09-17-2023 , 01:25 PM
Only 4 mins with 7 subs in the second half wtf
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09-17-2023 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
what odds on this year culminating in dyche relegating bumley from the premier league for the third time, and has that ever happened before
New owners will punt him into the sun before he has a chance if they have any sense.

But then they are voluntarily buying Everton.
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09-17-2023 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by $Betpot$
Only 4 mins with 7 subs in the second half wtf
Think the refs correctly concluded that the viewers have suffered enough.

This was a dire viewing.

Nice clean sheet for Raya, did not really need to make a save, but was a commanding presence in the air.

Also just now realized this was our first win at Goodison Park since 2017. That is some streak

Last edited by MindFckr; 09-17-2023 at 01:36 PM.
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09-17-2023 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Reynolds
New owners will punt him into the sun before he has a chance if they have any sense.

But then they are voluntarily buying Everton.
of course, and thats why he'll be available to take bumley down again once kompany goes
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09-17-2023 , 10:14 PM
What is weird about the United situation is that they have backed TH with transfers he wanted. I get the nostalgic Glazer hate as they take money out the club etc etc. But it's getting a bit lazy.

Onana 50mill
Mount 65
Hojlund 75
Casemiro 70
Lisandro Martinez 55
Antony 100

How is that not backing the manager? He is getting his old pals fat stacks of cash and they are not cutting it at this level.

Casemiro an exception and I rated Mount quite a bit at Chelsea.
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09-18-2023 , 01:09 AM
United currently at .-19 npxGD per game (that's worse than last seasons really bad chelsea). They are legitimately bad, and 2-3 bad reffing decisions bailing them out from only having 2 points (dogso + peno vs forest, and non peno call vs wolves). I was confident they'd not be good, but I didn't think they would be this bad.

There's some real wheels falling off equity here ala chelsea last year for them. With the bad vibes from antony/greenwood, and mishandling sancho could go up in flames pretty quickly. \
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09-18-2023 , 01:29 AM
When the only thing your 100million wingers can beat 1on1 is their girlfriends you gonna have a problem.

Just tired of hearing that the Tenth Hag is not backed when he got who he wanted. Even snatching Lisandro from right in front of us. I'm convinced he would be better off on the left instead of playing center back.
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09-18-2023 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MindFckr
What is weird about the United situation is that they have backed TH with transfers he wanted. I get the nostalgic Glazer hate as they take money out the club etc etc. But it's getting a bit lazy.
Yeah, this. Utd have the highest net spend in football the last 10 years, with £1bn in outlays. I doubt they would be in a better position if they had spent £500m more with their scattergun approach to buying players.
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09-18-2023 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MindFckr
What is weird about the United situation is that they have backed TH with transfers he wanted. I get the nostalgic Glazer hate as they take money out the club etc etc. But it's getting a bit lazy.

Onana 50mill
Mount 65
Hojlund 75
Casemiro 70
Lisandro Martinez 55
Antony 100

How is that not backing the manager? He is getting his old pals fat stacks of cash and they are not cutting it at this level.

Casemiro an exception and I rated Mount quite a bit at Chelsea.


There are these answers, yes. And then there’s also not accepting a £30m bid for Scott McTominay, constantly doing things at a glacial pace which then puts United in a bind to get stuffed on the prices, that then leads to Jonny Evans or Wout Weghorst having to come in(Antony for a stupid sum is a case in point as Murtaugh/Arnold insisted on having De Jong be the first signing and they badly backed themselves into a corner there last August).


I won’t hate on them too much irt Maguire. That’s entirely on Maguire for thinking he’s too good for West Ham. It does bother me that the player power may still be well within the club, but that remains to be seen.

Yes, there’s the layout that has happened. But there’s also the litany of missed opportunities from not moving fast enough or not being prepared (that’s where I’ll blame them on Maguire). Since Kim Min-Jae went to Munich, I can see that, but to not bring in Pavard or Todibo was just bad and any supporter would be royally pissed if their board did that.

The taking money out of the club isn’t lazy though. The Glazers have paid out close to 1b in interest on a club they heavily leveraged to buy and have let the stadium go to crap. Add in them taking out dividends while having a schizophrenic strategy and I think you’d be pretty pissed if Kroenke did the same.

Think about it like this: you walk past a nice house that looks good on the facade. You think to yourself: that’s a nice house, I bet it’s really nice inside. But, inside is a bunch of ikea furniture, rotting floors from bad flooring jobs and neglect, and a lack of many other things. That’s basically United right now.

I’m just glad I didn’t watch the Brighton match and actually went about my day
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09-18-2023 , 06:51 AM
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I won’t hate on them too much irt Maguire. That’s entirely on Maguire for thinking he’s too good for West Ham. It does bother me that the player power may still be well within the club, but that remains to be seen.
Was this the situation? I thought that United weren't willing to make up the wage difference and Maguire (rightfully) refused to take a pay cut.

Can't remember where I heard it, maybe an athletic podcast, but a quick google search suggests you can find it in less reputable sources too.
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09-18-2023 , 08:58 AM
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Was this the situation? I thought that United weren't willing to make up the wage difference and Maguire (rightfully) refused to take a pay cut.

Can't remember where I heard it, maybe an athletic podcast, but a quick google search suggests you can find it in less reputable sources too.

I think United were willing to give him a payout for 1 year of the contract, but not both. Regardless, he was surplus to requirements and United were never going to get close to what they paid back for him. He needed to leave and the top brass couldn’t find a way. It was probably financially painful, but when Auba was surplus to requirements for Arteta, the board got a rid of him. That hasn’t happened here.

Even then, that also goes to show how poorly United are run. They have Antony something like 200k p/w when he was on 10x less at Ajax. Sure, it’s a step up and he’d expect a payday, but why 200k when he’d possibly have accepted 100k p/w?
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09-18-2023 , 10:42 AM
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Classic.

This is excellent external langering. Thank you for this contribution
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