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07-25-2022 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
He's been really, really good in preseason. Clear best player on the pitch whenever he's out there. I don't think that means much, or that he will get 20+ goals, but if he is Arsenal's clear best player, he will have a good year.

I think Arsenal have 3 players good enough to start for any club in the world, and if they did, that team could still win the CL. That doesn't mean they are as good as the players currently doing so, but they're around that level. I would put Jesus, Partey and Saka there.

Now, I think Arsenal's season (obv anything can happen, injuries etc) is *mostly* going to come down to how good Martinelli and Saliba are. They look incredible in preseason as well. Saliba is just immense physically. Gabriel and White were good last season. I think on talent, our best CB pairing in almost 20 years. If Saliba is *even better* than both of them, that's really good for us. Now, he's like 21 and about to play his first PL season. It's a big ask. But he was YPOTY in France last year, played like 3600 minutes and was one of the best CB in Ligue 1.

Martinelli pops out every match watching him. If he goes from 6g/6a to 12g/5a or something, that's just huge for Arsenal. He had 9 xG in 1800 minutes last year, if he gets ~2500 minutes that's ~12 xG without any improvement.

And that's the difference for fighting for 3rd and 5th or 6th again imo.
Jesus Partey and Saka aren't starting for the top 2 teams in the Prem. Even Chelsea I'm not sure they're starting. LOL at them starting at any team in the world. And what are the chances Partey plays at all this season?
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07-25-2022 , 05:52 PM
Teams at the bottom I am lower on:

Brentford
Southampton
Everton
Leeds
Wolves

In no particular order, could see at least two being pulled into the relegation fight. I think Wolves have the most talent here, but they can't score, Jimenez is broken, Fabio Silva transfer was probably criminal and I think you need to score 40+ goals to not be in a relegation fight most years.

Brentford also will have a problem for goals without Eriksen, but they are an intelligent team for recruiting and coaching. That probably saves them.
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07-25-2022 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Jesus Partey and Saka aren't starting for the 2 teams in the Prem. LOL at them starting at any team in the world.
I'm not saying they *do.* I'm saying they could, and those teams wouldn't really lose anything for that. It's a minor drop off.

I'm not saying Saka is better than Mbappe or Salah, or that Partey is better than Rodri or Fabinho.

I'm saying that if you put them in there, those teams are still title contenders, CL contenders. Partey and Jesus have been decent parts on championship teams. Saka is one of the ~10 best u21 players in world football.
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07-25-2022 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I'm not saying they *do.* I'm saying they could, and those teams wouldn't really lose anything for that. It's a minor drop off.

I'm not saying Saka is better than Mbappe or Salah, or that Partey is better than Rodri or Fabinho.

I'm saying that if you put them in there, those teams are still title contenders, CL contenders. Partey and Jesus have been decent parts on championship teams. Saka is one of the ~10 best u21 players in world football.
tbf you could probably put some random MLS bum on City and they're still the best team in the Prem.

I think you could say what you said about Saka, Partey and Jesus for a lot of players and it's not exactly a major compliment or ringing endorsement of your own club. And I am someone that think Arsenal will be improved this season and I'm very much looking forward to watching them
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07-25-2022 , 06:49 PM
Saying Jesus is good enough to start for any club in the world when he's literally been a bench player for the last several seasons is a spicy take.
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07-25-2022 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I'm not saying they *do.* I'm saying they could, and those teams wouldn't really lose anything for that. It's a minor drop off.

I'm not saying Saka is better than Mbappe or Salah, or that Partey is better than Rodri or Fabinho.

I'm saying that if you put them in there, those teams are still title contenders, CL contenders. Partey and Jesus have been decent parts on championship teams. Saka is one of the ~10 best u21 players in world football.
Oh right this makes some sense I guess. That said there's a reason why City were happy to let Jesus go and why Saka is going on a free to a big club in 2 summers.
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07-25-2022 , 08:06 PM
I mean, City let Jesus go to sign Haaland, maybe the second most sought after player of the last decade behind Mbappe.
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07-25-2022 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I mean, City let Jesus go to sign Haaland, maybe the second most sought after player of the last decade behind Mbappe.
True, but they also didn't start him much when he was the only striker on the books
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07-25-2022 , 09:04 PM
I think Pep just prefers rotation/flexibility. Obviously when you can get haaland you throw a bit of that away, but Grealish, Foden, Sterling, Jesus, Mahrez etc were all between 1900 and 2500 minutes. Just a nice "problem" to have.
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07-26-2022 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
He's been really, really good in preseason. Clear best player on the pitch whenever he's out there. I don't think that means much, or that he will get 20+ goals, but if he is Arsenal's clear best player, he will have a good year.

I think Arsenal have 3 players good enough to start for any club in the world, and if they did, that team could still win the CL. That doesn't mean they are as good as the players currently doing so, but they're around that level. I would put Jesus, Partey and Saka there.

Now, I think Arsenal's season (obv anything can happen, injuries etc) is *mostly* going to come down to how good Martinelli and Saliba are. They look incredible in preseason as well. Saliba is just immense physically. Gabriel and White were good last season. I think on talent, our best CB pairing in almost 20 years. If Saliba is *even better* than both of them, that's really good for us. Now, he's like 21 and about to play his first PL season. It's a big ask. But he was YPOTY in France last year, played like 3600 minutes and was one of the best CB in Ligue 1.

Martinelli pops out every match watching him. If he goes from 6g/6a to 12g/5a or something, that's just huge for Arsenal. He had 9 xG in 1800 minutes last year, if he gets ~2500 minutes that's ~12 xG without any improvement.

And that's the difference for fighting for 3rd and 5th or 6th again imo.
This needs repurposing.



Enjoy the EL again, lads it's Arsenal.
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07-26-2022 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Reynolds
He'l be hoping you are still correct....

Lol

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Originally Posted by xXDeuce7Xx
Man this Jesus lovefest has some serious langer potential.
While questioning Jesus is a sin itself... I can see why everyone is superexcited. He has looked fun in preseason and like he has always played here.

Remember that I do not think he is world class or that he is the next golden boot winner, but it was extremely important to get him onboard and we did. 15+ goals look good and we did not have a striker like that in 2 years since we broke Auba.

Decent transfer window overall. Excited about what this season can bring as I think we can win a trophy with this improved depth. EL or FA Cup would be awesome. The former's final is in Budapest this year so I'm clenching my buttocks from the getgo so that we make it.

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07-26-2022 , 04:15 AM
I think Saka is going to have an explosion season fwiw. Can easily see him being a top 5 player in the league in the next couple of years.
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07-26-2022 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Reynolds
I think Saka is going to have an explosion season fwiw. Can easily see him being a top 5 player in the league in the next couple of years.
I agree and think Saka can be as good as he wants to be. However I do hope this season he gets a bit of protection and is rested a little. From memory he played every league game last season and if you add the EL and the WC and that is too many games. Don't want this lad going down the same injury path as Wilshere.
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07-26-2022 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I think Arsenal have 3 players good enough to start for any club in the world, and if they did, that team could still win the CL. That doesn't mean they are as good as the players currently doing so, but they're around that level. I would put Jesus, Partey and Saka there.
What on earth did Partey do last season to warrant such a comment?
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07-26-2022 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGramuel
Saying Jesus is good enough to start for any club in the world when he's literally been a bench player for the last several seasons is a spicy take.
I mean if this is your stance then pretty much all of city are bench warmers since their entire attacking set of players all rotate and play roughly the same minutes. Jesus got all their important minutes in important games.
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07-26-2022 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DuckSauce
I mean if this is your stance then pretty much all of city are bench warmers since their entire attacking set of players all rotate and play roughly the same minutes. Jesus got all their important minutes in important games.
I must have imagined Pep starting with zero strikers in their most important game in the last decade
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07-26-2022 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
I must have imagined Pep starting with zero strikers in their most important game in the last decade
It is also a little disingenuous to group them all as "attackers" when Pep had started KDB et al as a 9 instead of playing his only actual 9.

I've said I think Jesus has shown himself to be decent at everything except finishing, I also think you can expect a step down in production from him moving from that City team to this Arsenal team.

In before 27 goals this year.
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07-26-2022 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DuckSauce
I mean if this is your stance then pretty much all of city are bench warmers since their entire attacking set of players all rotate and play roughly the same minutes. Jesus got all their important minutes in important games.
Is this an understat.com conclusion or do you actually watch important games?
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07-26-2022 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by urbanwaste
What on earth did Partey do last season to warrant such a comment?
This. When he’s on he’s a beast, but he has not come remotely close to even justifying his price tag yet. He finally started to find his form at the end of last season, but before that he was injured and often pretty awful when he played.

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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Jesus is a weird one for me. He was absolutely not good enough for City. I was always very happy to see him in their starting XI's. At the same he is a massive upgrade for Arsenal who've been inept in that position since exiling Auba, and there weren't many clear available upgrades to them, so Arse did as well as they possibly could here.
Players who are “not good enough for City” do not play 236 times and score 95 goals with 46 assists. They were able to upgrade on him because they are City, and I’m glad they did!

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07-26-2022 , 10:54 AM
Ya Jesus definitely had his moments with City. Quite a lot of runbad and bad timing with injuries. Think it's a great signing for Arsenal don't see how they could have done better.
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07-26-2022 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PoseidonCubed


Players who are “not good enough for City” do not play 236 times and score 95 goals with 46 assists. They were able to upgrade on him because they are City, and I’m glad they did!
On City they can

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Originally Posted by Eric Clipperton
Ya Jesus definitely had his moments with City. Quite a lot of runbad and bad timing with injuries. Think it's a great signing for Arsenal don't see how they could have done better.
but yea, as I originally stated this is pretty much my stance as well. He wasn't good enough for City, they upgraded. He is definitely good enough for Arsenal and is a great signing for them
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07-26-2022 , 10:56 AM
The FPL fantasy line is the following.

50 EUR 2p2 league list of entrants:

* TP

* MF

* Cina

* Deuce

* rickroll

* Clayton

* PoseidonCubed

* POGcrazy94

*urbanwaste - under provision

Since it is a regs only league I would ask the council of regs if they vote yay/nay on urbanwaste joining.

He is understanding that he wasnt necessarily a reg-reg thus far having joined the thread late last year. But hey I'd say lets welcome new people who want to become one. Since its a community experienceEnglish Football 2022-23 (aka the bullshit WC year) league I felt inclined to ask the community.


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Originally Posted by sixfour
I must have imagined Pep starting with zero strikers in their most important game in the last decade
And what a success story it was
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07-26-2022 , 11:14 AM
I definitely want in I need joining and payment details
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07-26-2022 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PoseidonCubed
Players who are “not good enough for City” do not play 236 times and score 95 goals with 46 assists. They were able to upgrade on him because they are City, and I’m glad they did!
No, and if Arsenal get anywhere close to this return from him it's good business for them.
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07-26-2022 , 11:23 AM
I'll piss away 50EUR on FPL too for the community experience
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