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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
This comes up repeatedly ITT but there's very clearly an atlantic divide between whether sports teams are expected to be run as businesses or as parts of the communities they inhabit.
Indeed. The key difference being that almost every club paints themself as a "big family" and "part of the community" and "we're all in this together YWNA" etc etc. Then the money's tight and all the expendable workers are binned in record time.
Fans are right to point out the hypocrisy and expect better.
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Originally Posted by Jake7777
“Should” seems like a pointless way to frame it, they have to be unless they are the play thing of a billionaire at the level where they can be run at a loss indefinitely which is like less than a dozen clubs worldwide. Also, toothless as it is this is sort of codified in FFP.
You can also view how best to run a business differently - Arsenal seem like a poorly run business to me in the sports model since they don’t view winning as integral to the value. This is just shitty short-sightedness which you would think will catch up to them eventually as they alienate the fanbase and it depreciates (which what we’re seeing now?)
Lots of populist noise around this which misses the point imo, its not business v non-business its how much profit to extract and still remain competitive. I would also be in favor of fan ownership model but no one ever seems to get their act together to make this happen.
I'd love a fan owned model at United. IMO "getting their act together" would require someone well known/trusted by fans to spearhead it. I think if someone like Gary Neville was to start some sort of trust where United fans could donate/invest every year with the aim to buy the club it would be possible (not likely but possible) I'm aware that G Nev is already an owner in another club just using him as an example. Arsenal fans would know who would be best suited to do something similar at Arsenal.
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
For sure. And I'm definitely not saying Arsenal have to make a profit here. They haven't handled this well. But, I genuinely wonder if it actually is redundant to have so many scouts, and heads of scouts in 2020. The days of scouts finding a player absolutely nobody has heard of are well, well over. Do Arsenal *really*need nearly 600 full time staff? I have no idea! This is genuinely one of those areas that I think nobody knows enough to actually comment on beyond feeling bad for those who have lost their jobs and acknowledging Arsenal could have handled this situation better.
A few years ago Arsenal fired basically their whole medical team after we had a number of years of having a poor injury record. Absolutely nobody felt bad for those people then. The "community" or "Arsenal way" or whatever wasn't invoked.
Medical staff being fired because the team consistently has one of the worst injury records in the league won't upset anyone because it's based on poor performance (or perceived poor performance) rather than just money is gonna be tight for a while so let's sack the kitchen staff etc Especially when owners/players earn more in a week than some of these people do in a decade or more. It just comes across as heartless/cruel and fairly out of touch with the avg fan.
With regard to scouts I'd say most clubs would be better off with a higher % of tech/stats guys than they currently have.