Is this a consensus? I get the feeling that 72o is saying that fatigue doesnt matter at all and its all tactics. Im saying its mostly fatigue, if he is saying its mostly tactics then whatever I just think he is wrong, if he is saying its all tactics then he is clearly wrong.

Google thinks Im right. https://www.researchgate.net/publica...soccer_leagues

dude, familiarize yourself with the concept of score effects



shot attempts are 50/50 in tied games
in 1-goal games it swings to almost 56/44 for the team that is trailing
i doubt it's mostly because they became so incredibly fatigued scoring the go-ahead goal

i would imagine that this effect is much more pronounced as you get deeper into games and the trailing team becomes more desperate, and the defending team gets more desperate (and yes, perhaps more fatigued as well)

i couldn't find anything in 5 seconds or less as it pertains to football, but here's how it manifests itself in hockey, for example:



(see what happens in the last 5 minutes of 1-goal games? and it's definitely not due to fatigue)

I don't watch hockey but that's a sport where you can make infinite substitutions so not sure if it's a good example.
I actually posted a ****ing academic paper which supports my position , I'm not going to buy it just to win a random internet discussion, lol. But you should at least acknowledge it that my theory is at least plausible even if you don't agree with it.

Edit: my position is that it's mostly fatigue not that's it all fatigue.

i skimmed it, and they seemed to be saying that yeah goals go up a lot at the end, we don't know really know why, probably fatigue or score effects

that makes it a GREAT example, because we KNOW that the effect of fatigue is GREATLY minimized, but the scoring late thing persists

get it!?

I'm still not clear if your case it's all tactics or mostly tactics.

But we both agree that tactics have an effect. The problem is that we disagree on how much that effect is.
My position is only a little and your position is that is all tactics.

mostly

and not just tactics alone, i think a lot of it is probably psychological

And btw your 55-45 proportion is much lower than the proportion of goals scored in the last 15 minutes compared to the first 15.

A good way to settle this dispute is to compare the amounts of goals in the 75-90th minute of a first leg compared to the 1-15st minute of a second leg. If your theory is right then we should see around the same amount of goals at both periods of a 2 leg tie.
Do you agree with this post at least ?

an entirely different proposition altogether, no idea

would probably take the 75-90 1st leg tho

would it be close? again, no clue

I don't get why you are so bullish about your theory but now you are doubting in the case I gave you.

If the delta between the chances of a team scoring in last 15 minutes and the first 15 minutes is X% then in a 2 leg tie the delta between the chances of scoring in the last 15 minutes of the first game and the chances of scoring in the first 15 minutes should be higher than X/2% in order for me to be right and less than X/2% in order for you to be right.

Of course I'm too lazy to get enough data but I think I would nick it slightly.

On a different note I think that the psychological sphere is very tied to the physical aspect of the game. If you are physically tired you are more prone to mental mistakes. This is why all elite chess players have a coach to keep them in physical shape.

Meanwhile, he has defended a £280m load from the council to Everton for their new stadium.

diana ross has a better shot than this fella

I can see his logic, £15m was not enough but £280m was plenty.

If a game's being broken down into 5 minute blocks then 40-45 and 85-90 will always have more goals due to injury time not being accounted for.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...anchez-arsenal

Hopefully that happens, it would be worth it for 8bus' reaction alone.

Yeah just read it. Same dope who said City agreed to a deal reporting United made contact.

Nice job journos have

If City somehow **** it up to the point where united swoop in and take him my rustlage would be off the ****ing charts

TRACK BACK ALEXIS

would be slightly funny to see alexis and mesut running around in mun shirts for the next 5 years, for a few reasons. in for aftv

Remember last summer where you were posting stories from every single journalist reporting on City as if they were all true. I'm glad you've learned.

I dont think i could handle that in a civil way

Lot of Ancelotti to Arse rumours in the rags today.

lol Ancelotti would be one of the last guys I'd hire to oversee a complete rebuild like arse are facing.