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He’s too quiet and too boring to be a big marketable player. I mean, I’m sure he’ll have marketing opportunities but he won’t be one of the major marketable players in the world, or even in the US.

He is 19. If he wasn't boring off the field that would be a problem. He isn't a boring player. Pulisic doesn't dive, is fiery, he will be on cereal boxes in the US.

After the WC, assuming the US takes care of business in T&T, he will be hugely marketable. Alex Morgan marketable. Basing this on my 11 year old daughter and my wife.

Curious, how marketable is Dele Alli in the UK? My daughter loves him, his attitude doesn't piss her off but the diving does.

10-10-2017 , 03:46 AM

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Not particularly outside of football. You could put him on the cover of FIFA or in a Nike ad but he's not selling you aftershave (I am picturing those awful Liverpool Nivea ads right now mind you). Few footballers reach those heights to be fair.

10-10-2017 , 06:34 AM

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Quite an interesting article on the financial risk of getting promoted to the PL:

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Premier League: Clubs 'risk bankruptcy' with promotion

English Football League clubs risk bankruptcy by chasing promotion to the Premier League, financial experts say.

Between the 2008-09 and 2015-16 seasons, 19 clubs entered the top flight, and only one - Crystal Palace - avoided making a loss.

Average losses in their promotion seasons were more than £300,000 per week, financial data firm Vysyble said.

But the English Football League (EFL) said such reports "confuse the reality of the situation for supporters".

Most of the promoted clubs made money in their first Premier League season, but after four years just one in four was still in the black, according to Vysyble's report.

One in three was immediately relegated and two in three were down again within three years.

The report describes the "economic exhaustion" of trying to compete with the more established Premier League clubs.

Report co-author Roger Bell said many fans and owners of EFL clubs see promotion to the top flight as a "golden ticket to untold riches" but in reality trying to stay in the Premier League is "ultimately loss-making".

This "financial over-exertion" can lead to long-term problems, Bell continued, which cannot be solved by parachute payments to relegated sides, even though they can now total more than £90m.

"EFL clubs who spend beyond their means are, in fact, risking their futures by chasing a dream that is just that, a dream, and one that is actually more likely to end up as a financial nightmare," Bell added.

An EFL spokesman said it is "one of the most competitive competitions in world football" and is in a "strong financial position".

"Reports of this nature inflame the position and confuse the reality of the situation for supporters," he said.

Citing financial fair play rules introduced in 2012, the league's improved revenues, and solidarity payments from the Premier League, the EFL spokesman said no club had been through an insolvency process for several years.

He added football is a "competitive industry", where progress up the league pyramid is the main goal, but said the EFL's rules are under regular review as its clubs "clearly face different financial challenges to those in the Premier League".

The Premier League declined to comment on the report.

It is understood that some of the 19 promoted clubs would have broken even but for player bonuses triggered by those successes.

Bell believes his report has highlighted the risks associated with pushing too hard for promotion, particularly when the Premier League is split on how future broadcasting revenue is shared.

"Owners who accept the risk of relegation but also preserve the balance sheet face much better prospects if the club is indeed relegated, with Burnley, Norwich and Newcastle proving to be excellent examples," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41564471

There's also a graphic of five clubs that spend more than 100% of turnover on staff (lol) including Forest and Brentford who have >160% turnover:staff. Nuts.

10-10-2017 , 07:07 AM

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Well to be fair Knutson was at Brentford and he's self-proclaimed to be worth several points to most teams, so he must have been on a fortune

10-10-2017 , 07:18 AM

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nitpitckery: using data from 08-16 is a bit dangerous given that the the tv money was about one third of what it is now for much of that time

this was 2013:

different game now that finishing last get you more than a hundred million

10-10-2017 , 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by joejoe1337

Quite an interesting article on the financial risk of getting promoted to the PL:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41564471

There's also a graphic of five clubs that spend more than 100% of turnover on staff (lol) including Forest and Brentford who have >160% turnover:staff. Nuts.

Just been reading that. Some of the spending is mind blowing, what's the point in the FFP regulations? And why do they bother if once they get to the PL, they have to overspend again to compete with the established PL clubs?

Surely it isn't sustainable.

The graphic shows 15 clubs spending more than their turnover on wages, the top five are spending over 140%.

10-10-2017 , 07:45 AM

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No 4pm kickoff on Christmas Eve.

10-10-2017 , 07:48 AM

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So it will kick off at half 3?

10-10-2017 , 07:50 AM

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lol, that was good of him.

10-10-2017 , 11:01 AM

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Mane out for 6 weeks.

10-10-2017 , 11:20 AM

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External factors strike again.

10-10-2017 , 12:23 PM

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Does anyone have a linky to the nev and carra thing that was on the other night? Doing my but in trying to find it.

10-10-2017 , 01:15 PM

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Does anyone have a linky to the nev and carra thing that was on the other night? Doing my but in trying to find it.

Sky Go link

10-10-2017 , 01:16 PM

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Much love LO

10-10-2017 , 01:59 PM

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Dortmund has had its profile raised some by Pulisic. His value though to clubs through US marketability will not come until after the World Cup. He is a "cute" kid according to my wife. Still not sure if his ridiculous eagle tattoo is a marketing genius, a negative, or neutral.

Bayern would have had a huge marketing gain if Green was the same player that Pulisic is. Scored a goal in the WC. Young kid. Difference is Pulisic is already playing on the first team.

Marketability to top English clubs is **** all compared with sky's billions and the oil money. And they're all pretty well set with £50m per year sponsorship deals for training kit ffs.

Kid will move because his talent is in demand not because he can sell bog roll holders.

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10-10-2017 , 02:39 PM

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84k in US watched his last game for Dortmund.

And you'd imagine if the English clubs were waiting on that one special American so they could make millions off his back, that the English academy's would already be bunged full of American kids. They aren't afaik.

10-11-2017 , 12:44 AM

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Mane out for 6 weeks.

Who's Klopp going to blame for this one?

Free the Ox!

10-11-2017 , 04:08 AM

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Who's Klopp going to blame for this one?

Free the Ox!

Same as always. **** international breaks.

10-11-2017 , 05:19 AM

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Plan out the window now there will be no WC for at least 5 years.

Gonna have to suffer at Dortmund I suppose.

10-11-2017 , 06:38 AM

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Did mane get hurt over break?

Man they're truly the worst. It's insane.

10-11-2017 , 07:01 AM

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10-11-2017 , 07:23 AM

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Did mane get hurt over break?

Man they're truly the worst. It's insane.

Yep very late on as he was substituted on the 89th minute. Feels like every international break we end up with a mid to long term injury.

10-11-2017 , 08:10 AM

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Hahaha one of the replies to that full kit wanker is amazing

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10-11-2017 , 08:11 AM

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Hahaha one of the replies to that full kit wanker is amazing

Lol that's amazing.

10-11-2017 , 08:13 AM

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Hahaha one of the replies to that full kit wanker is amazing

Lol

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