am most confident that we are not approaching anything like yankian levels of army fistpumping

maybe we're at like 1% of yank levels where we used to be at 0.1%

Eh?

90% of why people voted Brexit was UK **** yea and a lot of the cult of patriotism is built around fist pump of the military.

The patriotism in this country has gone from we like T and fair play to much more yankian bravado fistpumping imo and this has cross infected the whole poppy thing in a large way imo.

Its semantic reads, so milage may vary.

Sucks. Following the J-Rod style of injury recovery.

if you can't even question the real reason why poppies exist then you might have a problem. I mean at least in 1984 people knew they were being brainwashed.

90% of why people voted Brexit was a desire to cut immigration. I really don't think tubthumping militaristic patriotism had all that much to do with it.

Leaving the Clarets must be a curse.

Poppy wearing doesn't annoy me greatly, however I would share McClean's view and refuse to wear a poppy myself. It's very similar to the egg ball guy kapernick(excuse spelling) who refuses to sing the national anthem. He's got crucified for his stance with very little discussion being had as to why he fails to acknowledge his own anthem. It's blind and irrational patriotism much like in Britain right now.

Whether you Brits like it or not it's a form of political propaganda nowadays and is used to justify pointless wars since ww1.

Those things are not as exclusive as you think they are.

UK#1 who needs EU holding us back we will thrive as a bastion of ingenuity/commerce etc and all our manufacturing will come back and we re form the British Empire once we are freeeeeeeeeeeeee, is only a slightly hyperbolic exaggeration of many people perspective on Britain's relative power as an economic and political force in the world.

The idea that Britain is a mostly irrelevant little island with a totally one dimensional economy did not really compute.

I wear a poppy everyday to remind myself about the natural (dis)order of things

You are horribly oppressed.

I really think most leavers just saw the Brexit vote as the first time they had ever been even indirecly consulted on the issue of immigration and decided to just ****ing go for it.

The second biggest group consisted of those disenfranchised many who have been f'd in the a by neoliberalism over the past 20 years and who also thought hey let's just ****ing go for it and punt off the countries economic future on the massively high variance bet that BREXIT will somehow lead to the coal mines reopening. It won't lead to the coal mines reopening - nor will Jim Davidson be back on the tv - but, hey, at least they get to laugh at the liberal elite as Britian sinks back to the 1970s. (Decent enough rationale tbh as extremely credible psychological studies show that seeing those above you in society lose out is pretty much as joyous an experience as one can have.*)

*Ask Elrazor, he's a pro.

an anecdotal britain vs yank army fistpump comparison,

blitw teams army fistpump by having a remembrance poppy on the shirt for a couple weeks a year and a two minute silence b4 the matches

yank teams have a gaggle of troops march onto the field with a gigantic usa flag before every nfl game while someone sings the anthem. if its a big game they have some fighter planes fly over the stadium. its timed so that they fly over and make a big sound just as the chick finishes the anthem. they also have a special army week where everyone involved including the cheerleaders and managers/coaches dress up in camo. i am not joking.

American fistpumping is much more than British or Aussie and its not close.

I don't think I have ever heard a thank you to the military in any British television spectacle and its a nightly/weekly thing over in Yankland

Yeah, those who think the British are overly patriotic have never spent much time in actually patriotic countries.

Jesus it's a ****ing poppy, people are allowed to wear them for whatever reason they like - it doesn't mean they are oppressed, have been brainwashed or any other twatty left-wing narrative.

Don't, personally, see the need for a full month of symbolism. Remembering the horrors of the Flanders battles on the 11th seems perfectly adequate to me.
Sort of like the Danish tradition of putting candles in windows on the 4th of May to remember the end of occupation.

You're an ignorant **** and if you think this ^^proves anything other than you're a stupid ****er you'd be wrong.

McClean isn't a foreigner in the UK, he doesn't visit.

Je suis Jamesy.

UK is obviously not exactly as patriotic as USA, but it has a ****ing song called Rule Britannia for christs sake proclaiming we will rule the waves.

We are much much much much much much more patriotic and rife with cultural militaristic symbolism than average country aniec.

I have attended many Yank sporting events and sat down through the anthem as a matter of pride.

But we still have a **** ton of patriotic/militaristic symbolism and pageantry in this country and I am pretty sure anyone who has not noticed a significant uptick thereby has been living in a cave.

Its not that we have reached Yankladian levels, but that is absolutely the direction of travel.

Yeah well you can easily show me pics of just 5 people working live telly without them then.

But not compulsory.

It has become the norm for TV presenters to wear poppies because the whole industry is risk averse as hell. This is no good thing, of course, but it is no more nefarious than TV execs simply not wanting to cause offense. For the rest of us
though, there is basically no societal pressure "forcing" us to wear a poppy.

As for James McClean, lots of football fans are total ****ing morons and will abuse players for anything, regardless of whether or not they actually care about the issue or not. Stoke fans boo Aaron Ramsey for having had the temerity to get his leg broken by their brave captain. I imagine the McClean story has been blown out of proportion because of the lol Northern Ireland connection and its refusal to join the rest of Western Europe in the 21st century.

1) Opposite of normal.
2) Where is this place? Probably thousands.
3) Mate didn't pay rent whole way through my second year at uni. His parents were on the hook for the whole whack. Over 3 grand. This was 10 years ago. Imagine how much more now. He did pay it back eventually but took a while. And that was his parents. If he barely knows the girl? Lol good luck ever getting any back.

He would be better transferring the money directly into the landlords bank account.

As for Poppy's, the fact this is in the news constantly for weeks every year now is depressing. High time it was swept into the dustbin where it belongs. We can remember the dead from WW1 without this ****. People like Theresa exploiting the situation for political gain are disgusting. She says FIFA should sort its own house out. Correctly applying the ban on political symbols is part of keeping their house in order. Doing as she wishes would be an example of the very corruption she is referring to.

****s sake at least wait till the international break to nose dive the thread

Has cashy been paid yet, or what?