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08-22-2016 , 05:26 PM
Not a good look, though.
08-22-2016 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 100zAndUp
is this the first time ur opinion might be right or something? you sure are banging on about it alot
Is that an official decision?? I'm right?!?!


Last edited by LFC_USA; 08-22-2016 at 05:32 PM. Reason: simply providing the most recent evidence
08-22-2016 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by heh
Not a good look, though.
I'm guessing this was directed at me. I think there is a distinct difference between critically assessing your players/team and whistling and booing them on every touch. Like are we just supposed to sit here and say Alberto Moreno is completely adequate and Jordan Henderson is a completely formidable CM/CDM for us? Of course not. This isn't RAWK. Plus the argument was put forth by bjorn and others that Henderson was very good to excellent in the Arsenal game which he simply was not. I have nothing against bjorn and none of this is malicious. I actually love that he took the time to cite specific instances to support his claim. I just don't agree with him
08-22-2016 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
I'm guessing this was directed at me. I think there is a distinct difference between critically assessing your players/team and whistling and booing them on every touch. Like are we just supposed to sit here and say Alberto Moreno is completely adequate and Jordan Henderson is a completely formidable CM/CDM for us? Of course not. This isn't RAWK. Plus the argument was put forth by bjorn and others that Henderson was very good to excellent in the Arsenal game which he simply was not. I have nothing against bjorn and none of this is malicious. I actually love that he took the time to cite specific instances to support his claim. I just don't agree with him
No, I meant Jordan Henderson in that video...
08-22-2016 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by heh
No, I meant Jordan Henderson in that video...
Oh
08-22-2016 , 06:13 PM
I also noticed the same things in that video but through out the first half (i mostly fast forwarded the second) put most of it down to wider team failure in the playing it out from the back phase. Henderson is a central part of that of course but everyone just wasn't on the same page in largely a collective failure. The passing and movement has to be much better.

The first response to that twitter video:
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half of that **** wasnt even his fault...whos next weeks scapegoat?
Sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it is partly. Somtimes it's just opponents being better more than him doing wrong. Often as everything in this sport it's part of a bigger team picture and synergies where there is no final recipe or clearcut right and wrong answers.

Someone, who mostly did the things required showing intelligence and a good left-foot was Klavan but Milner and Clyne simply weren't proactive enough with their movement and touches.

The worse sign from Henderson I thought was not spoilering well enough defensively which I also noted was up the air as far as that new role was concerned, though it's unfair if you expect him to always come through when he is on his heels defending transition against fast players in full flow. If you're able to do that you're one of the best defensive players in the world. Statistically it's usually the central/defensive midfielders getting dribbled the most. It comes with the territory.

With deep-lying Henderson we're working with limited information and I also posted that him looking so good in the game against Arsenal (and I still haven't deleted this game and have notes not posted yet and I fully stand by previous take and examples given) could partly be Arsenal once again underachieving with their pressing and collective defensive gameplan, but yes if Henderson and Liverpool can't come through better than against Burnley, they and/or Henderson just aren't good enough in those phases and they're not a top team, hence why I though him/they looking so good in those phases in the first game was a big deal.

We need more information but I wouldn't say that it's hopeless based on this game. Clyne though bad here has been solid in all phases in the past. Milner probably is hopeless though and you likely can't play this way with him at left-back. Klavan is showing really good signs with the ball and Lovren is proven in those phases. Mignolet is too hit and miss. Both Llalana and Wijnaldum against a team with a good defensive gameplan like Burnley might be too much of an overall "attacking midfielder mechanism" though and a team would need a better distributor than Henderson to make these phases work. Inserting Can over one them could work I suppose but even if his positions and instincts are more central midfield rooted he isn't a great or quick reader of the game. Though mostly when facing opponent goal. The big deal is whether Henderson, like I said, here and on twitter, will prove that his performance in that role against Arsenal was a real consistent thing.

Last edited by Bjørn; 08-22-2016 at 06:25 PM.
08-22-2016 , 06:35 PM
I'm watching the british TV version of MOTD for this weekend on youtube since i missed it all. Good god. Not only can y'all not watch all the matches live but you have to suffer through this dross at the end of the day? I'm truly sorry.
08-22-2016 , 06:39 PM
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too few food commercials?
08-22-2016 , 06:44 PM
There will also always be hickups when passing it out from the back. Even Barca, Bayern and Juventus will have to sometimes kick it into second-ball (duel) phases further ahead or simply out for an opponent throwin (and yes at worst GASP even lose the ball in a bad place) but the advantages for you and the disadvantages for your opponents, basically you winning more chances and pressure, are supposed to out outweigh such hickups. It didn't seriously for Liverpool in this game and worse they conceded big chances/goals because they (including Henderson as a key player) couldn't come through with their passing it out from the back execution against the execution of the opponent.
08-22-2016 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BAIDS
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too few food commercials?
+ stats
08-22-2016 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by thedinergetsby
I'm watching the british TV version of MOTD for this weekend on youtube since i missed it all. Good god. Not only can y'all not watch all the matches live but you have to suffer through this dross at the end of the day? I'm truly sorry.
You copied our soccer highlight show without changing its name?
08-22-2016 , 08:23 PM
idk man. I saw what I saw. Main werewolf looking scruffy necked dude made eye contact for way too long before panning to the young blue eyed guy who used to play and made shotty analysis and the older guy who made fun of the younger guy for playing bad despite him just being an older guy who also was bad and played bad at some point
08-22-2016 , 08:24 PM
from what i gathered
08-22-2016 , 08:37 PM
NBC does a great great great job with everything football related here, but I actually quite like British MOTD
08-22-2016 , 09:05 PM
I have no idea who he's talking about i'm guessing Murphy and P.Neville

but yeah MOTD is great as long as you put it on mute in between highlights
08-22-2016 , 09:51 PM
I said I'd be doing these all season. 2 for 2 so far. Here's the Burnley recap (tl;dr)

GAMEWEEK 2
Burnley 2 – 0 Liverpool 1-1-0 3pts
Spoiler:
Saturday August 20th 10:00AM
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I walked in from playing basketball at 10:03am to find us already down 1-0 inside 2 minutes. After watching the game it was easy to see why. It was the classic game where we could have played for 6 hours and we were never going to score. In 90 minutes of football we could not create a real chance against a team many have tipped for relegation.
Jurgen Klopp has to shoulder some of the blame. He was completely out-tactic’d by Sean Dyche and it looked like Burnley parking the bus with 2 extremely disciplined banks of 4 sitting in front of the goal keeper took him by surprise, which it obviously shouldn’t have. Liverpool had no ideas. The effort from the players was one of the most embarrassing I’ve seen of professionals and quickly erased the high of beating Arsenal at the Emirates on opening day.
One of the most shocking weaknesses was how little movement there was off the ball. There was no one making runs into the box. We seemed perfect content to just play the ball out side, back to a non-threatening position in the center of the pitch, then back out wide again. Burnley were all too happy to let us do that. On the occasion we did put a cross into the box there was no one there to receive it and the cycle repeated itself for 90 minutes.
We also seemed inexplicably adamant about playing the ball out from the back. Burnley did what I expect most teams to do as long as we are stubborn enough to play the ball out of the back at all costs and as our only option and press our backline without sacrificing their midfield or defense. We all too easily gave the ball away with Clyne committing an uncharacteristic poor pass to lead to the first goal but even after that we never seemed comfortable playing out of the back, just like we didn’t for the first 40 minutes or so at Arsenal. There is a time to hoof the ball up field and there is nothing wrong with giving the defense something else to think about. We’re all too predictable at the moment.
The Players
MOTM – None I did not expect to do this and usually you can find the silver lining but this game the effort and performance of every single player was inexcusable and poor.
Honorable Mentions
None
Not So Honorable Mention
Everyone
Mignolet – Not much he could do about either goal but his distribution was as awful as ever. If we’re going to play out of the back he’s not the keeper to start those moves.
Clyne – Awful pass to lead to the Burnley opener after just 2 minutes. We don’t exactly put our defenders in good spots when they receive the ball, but someone as consistent as Clyne must do better there.
Lovren – Looking more and more like the Lovren under BR than the second half of last season under Klopp
Klavan – Could have closed down better on the 2nd goal. Unlucky bounce off Gray but could have done better to break up the play completely. Could have maybe covered for Lovren on the first as well and closed down a bit harder.
Milner – As boring and useless as the boring James Milner twitter account. Burnley were thrilled to push every attack out to a wide open Milner who did nothing and didn’t come close to threatening one time.
Lallana -- I can’t watch him do his lazy pirouettes anymore and lose possession. I’m glad he’s not as advanced in the attack as he was last year, as he simply cannot finish (last week aside) but I’m not sure he’s a deep midfielder either. He hustles but gets knocked off the ball so easily and takes way too many touches.
Henderson – One of the worst players in the side. Teams know to pressure the **** out of him as soon as he touches the ball and he’s not good enough to make something happen when they do. When he’s not under pressure he’s all to happy to play the safest pass possible. He was the player who had to attack and create something and force the tempo against a team who was parked to defend and he could not do so. Defensively he was abysmal. Conceded possession too easily, did not nothing to break up an attack or win the ball back, and ran right past Gray for the 2nd goal just as he did for the Oxalade-Chamberlain goal the week before. Wasn’t our worst player on the day but right now him and Moreno are the weak links in this team. Worst of all was his leadership. That team had nobody to sort them out or bring them together and Jordan Henderson is supposed to be the captain.
Wijnaldum – Did he even play? Completely invisible. This money needed to be spent on a true midfielder. Instead we have a bunch of attacking players we are trying to shoehorn into unnatural positions
Coutinho – Really bad day for him. Nothing as coming off and his shots from distance weren’t coming close to the target. Unlike some I’m ok with him taking them though, as they truly looked like our only chance of scoring as we were creating nothing and he’s won games with those efforts in the past. Wasn’t to be today. He also gave away possession too often and had some very lazy passes. His movement was the best of a poor bunch I thought but was by no means good.

Firmino – He is a very frustrating player. He didn’t appear to break into anything resembling a sprint all game and all too often appears to be strolling around on the pitch without any urgency. Had no impact on the game today. He’s not a #9 and Klopp puzzling seemed to play him as the most advanced player with Sturridge out right.
Sturridge -- He did not look fit or interested. One of the worst performances I’ve seen of him in a Liverpool shirt. Created nothing. Sulked. Lost possession, including the counter that led to the 2nd Burnley goal. However if he’s in the team I want him in the center of the box with us creating chances for him not stuck out wide.
Overall this is a performance to forget and luckily for Liverpool and their supporters they can do so with a League Cup game on Tuesday vs. Burton Albion. There were players in today’s XI that should not be guaranteed their places and the League Cup is the perfect place for other players to stake a claim for their spot. I’d like to see Can, Grujic, and Ings all given chances with the possibility of playing against Tottenham next Saturday as well. Sadio Mane was a huge miss as he was out through injury with an injured shoulder. A player who maybe would have actually ran at the parked Burnley defense. Onto better days.
08-23-2016 , 02:04 AM
Nice, yank slagging off motd. You probably think the American one came first too don't you
08-23-2016 , 02:24 AM
Also quite amusing that he's a Spurs fan that doesn't know who Gary Lineker is.

:thumbup: Lfc, enjoyed that (for obvious reasons).
08-23-2016 , 02:45 AM
MOTD is **** though.
08-23-2016 , 02:51 AM
It was good on Saturday, watched it about ten times so far
08-23-2016 , 02:56 AM
Reece Burke, the lesser known of our defensive Reeces, has just signed a new four year contract with us. He has done well in the little I have seen of him and was player of the year on loan at Bradford last season. Given the contract shenanigans with Reece Oxford, this is some welcome news.
08-23-2016 , 05:15 AM
Cant believe Allardyce is thinking of digging Terry up
08-23-2016 , 05:31 AM
Tbf, 53yo Ricardo Carvalho just recently turned European Champion.
08-23-2016 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
MOTD is **** though.
It's the only tv programme that I never miss, love it. Might be more fun for me though as I avoid the scores. Don't have the time/patience for live games anymore. Yet still Kingweed asks me every weekend without fail whether I'm watching the game
08-23-2016 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mic_check12
It's the only tv programme that I never miss, love it. Might be more fun for me though as I avoid the scores. Don't have the time/patience for live games anymore. Yet still Kingweed asks me every weekend without fail whether I'm watching the game
I'm not saying that I don't watch it - but you get so little value from Lineker, Shearer and whoever else from the jobs for the boys gang. The highlights are what they are and frequently (although this may not happen so much now) you would get the bigger sides games on before more interesting fixtures.

      
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