I know that, which is why I mentioned where Bellerin's arms were. Both players jump with their arms out - the difference is where their arms are positioned.

Again, Bellerin could never hurt someone with the way he jumped, whereas Alonso could.

Imo Alonso's challenge on Bellerin was a definite foul and yellow card.

If you disagree, just go and watch a few of the videos of the incident on YouTube.

Merse had few brain cells to begin with. Then spent years killing them battling the bottle.

I think the yellow is overkill. Both are going for the ball, but the goal should have been disallowed.

Take nothing away from Chelsea tho, they still would have beaten us. Best team we have played by far this season.

No, just the ones where the arms are off the torso and you hit your opponents or otherwise stop him from playing. Football is results-oriented that way sometimes

The only reason his head is at his elbow is because he leaped higher. Look at both their elbows.

How are they up in a way that could never injure anyone? That's just bull****. Someone could smash their face into that elbow.

Being results oriented is exactly why people think it's a foul when it isn't. Not the other way around. You might as well say it's a foul on Alonso because he headbutted his elbow. It's not a non contact sport. Not every contact is a foul. Even when people get hurt sometimes. Should Cahill have been red carded for what happened to Mason?

To be fair to merson, i probably take max. 3 arsenal players right now in that XI and that's counting in Kos which I think is arguable considering Vert/Toby is a great pair

No idea who Cahill and Mason are but IIRC in this incident it was pretty clear that Alonso's arms went into Bellerin's head way more violently than the other way around. Why this happened is irrelevant

"He jumped higher" is just a different way of saying "he jumped in such a way that he violently slammed his arms into Bellerin". People are doing some sneaky victim-blaming here (Bellerin shouldve just jumped higher!) but the fact that Alonso would've won the header without cleaning out his opponent doesn't give him the right to go ahead and actually do it. Maybe that's the crux, people saying that Alonso wiping out his opponent didn't enable him to win the header, that he would've scored anyway... which is true, but it's still a foul.

yep

Lads it's Arsenal at stamford bridge, let's not pretend any other outcome than a loss was possible

I think we all had extremely high hopes for him. Goes to show that you can't predict what's going on in one's head once they perceive themselves as having had success. Just look at Rashford, he keeps working his ass off so that he can be better. The exact opposite of depay or someone like macheda

IFAB Rules are what govern most football leagues around the world. There isn't precise rules on their site regarding this, but in 2009 the MLS put out this statement to their refs regarding contact above the shoulder.

https://www.massref.net/ussfdirectiv...e_Shoulder.pdf

Since MLS and EPL are both governed by the same rulesets for officiating you can see similar interpretations aren't unreasonable even though it isn't explicitly stated in the rules themselves that I could find.


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Quite literally ticks off every note on that list. Obvious ultra clear indisputable red card.

Find something concrete that says otherwise, or just accept that denying it's a clear red is delusional bias.

WEAPON.

lol duckwank stick to the graphs

So Bellerin couldn't possibly have hit anyone in the face when he swings his arms down?

Ofc he could have, but he didn't. What's the point?

Well, if thats the case it's dangerous play from both players.

Similar to a two footed challenge with studs showing. Doesn't matter if contact is made or not. Still a red card.

So there won't be any aerial challenges at all as EVERY SINGLE one is dangerous as players lead with their arms.

Yeah if there's no middle ground between red card and no foul at all, sure

What about when you do an overhead kick? Should be a foul for dangerous play no matter if you hit someone or not?

lol kingweed

Dicksauce just a poor man's joediego at this point, complete with the weekly decisions against arsenal whine.

Did Wenger really say Arsenal fans need to be more like Spurs fans?

Exactly the point we've all been trying to make. Context is needed.

In this case it isn't a foul. Much like Cahil and Mason from the other week.

Just because a players has sadly ended up with an injury it doesn't mean it's a foul/excessive force etc has been used.

Not all contact is a foul. The game isn't a non contact sport.

Can you not read? Alonso leads with elbow ballerina arms are up in the air. That distinction is clear in my post.