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Old 07-30-2015, 01:34 PM   #2051
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Just went and watched Brighton under 21s vs Nike academy at the Brighton training ground as it's literally in my back garden. Strangely Nike academy which is made up from 17-20 year olds released from clubs across the country were far the better side, Brighton training ground tho is immense, 16 all weather pitches , huge indoor facilities... Will try and put some pics up.
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Old 07-30-2015, 05:45 PM   #2052
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Mario Balotelli training separately from first team squad at LFC (so too Borini & Enrique) while club look for buyer

Seriously though, who's going to want Mario?
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:03 PM   #2053
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I think you can probably dump him for a few million to some midtable Serie A team, as long as you subsidize his wages.
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:08 PM   #2054
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think even for mid-table clubs in serie a balotelli is highly -ev
characters like that bring so much disharmony to a club
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:09 PM   #2055
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:12 PM   #2056
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Sam Wallace ‏@SamWallaceIndy 12m12 minutes ago

Mario Balotelli training separately from first team squad at LFC (so too Borini & Enrique) while club look for buyer

Seriously though, who's going to want Mario?
at 7M... someone.
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:26 PM   #2057
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I doubt you get that much for him.
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:26 PM   #2058
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It's a shame that LvG doesn't have confidence in Rojo at that left-footed centreback spot. I really thought he showed that he was able to handle himself there in the Premier League environment whenever he got the chance last season but I guess there is something Gaal doesn't like.

Blind is definitely a smarter player off + perhaps crucially on-ball (Rojo's left-foot is pretty good tho) and of course much better suited to precisely follow coach instructions. Rojo is more of a, let's say free spirit, but physically stronger + more aggressive than Blind (is that a problem? If LvG wants to change defensive approach away from conservative I think aggression is needed) while a much better footballer than Smalling/Jones as well as generally being better suited for more modern defending. Which seems to be Van Gaal's ambitions if he really will dumping one of the traditional centreblocks in favor of Blind.
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:29 PM   #2059
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It's a shame that LvG doesn't have confidence in Rojo at that left-footed centreback spot. I really thought he showed that he was able to handle himself there in the Premier League environment whenever he got the chance last season but I guess there is something Gaal doesn't like.

Blind is definitely a smarter player and of course much better suited to follow coach instructions. Rojo more of a, let's say free spirit, but physically stronger + more much aggressive than Blind (is that a problem? If he wants to change defensive approach away from conservative I think aggression is needed) while a much better footballer than Smalling/Jones as well as generally being better suited for more modern defending. Which seems to be Van Gaal's ambitions if he really will dumping one of the traditional centreblocks in favor of Blind.
I don't think Blind is ahead of Rojo. It's just that he had an extended time off due to Copa America, and then had visa problems and couldn't join the team on tour. Once he has a few weeks training with the team under his belt I'm pretty sure he'll be first choice LCB.
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:29 PM   #2060
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What exactly is the 433 formation that you guys are starting to fear that LvG will be using?
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:32 PM   #2061
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imagine the comedy if Utd's defense functions exactly like last season except DDG stops saving 99% of the shots on target!
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:33 PM   #2062
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Good to see you on Twitter Bjorn, just give you a follow.
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:35 PM   #2063
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I don't think Blind is ahead of Rojo. It's just that he had an extended time off due to Copa America, and then had visa problems and couldn't join the team on tour. Once he has a few weeks training with the team under his belt I'm pretty sure he'll be first choice LCB.
I hope so but if memory serves me correctly I interpreted it pretty bad whenever here and there that he preferred defenders that I don't seriously rate ahead of him.

Not that I can't see arguments for Jones or Smalling over relative newcomer Rojo learning the ropes (just not both of them starters for Manchester freakin United!) I just disagree and start seeing worrying signs that Rojo probably isn't very highly rated by the coach.

We'll see what happens.
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:37 PM   #2064
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What exactly is the 433 formation that you guys are starting to fear that LvG will be using?
I think most of us are actually hoping he plays 433. It's just that the variant he's been playing on tour is more of a 4231 (he still calls it 433) with Memphis playing centrally, just off Rooney, more like a SS than a CAM, and two of Carrick/Scweinsteiger/Schneiderlin holding. I think most United fans were expecting/hoping for something more like this:

-------Schneiderlin--------
Schweinsteiger--Herrera-
Mata----------------Memphis
----------Rooney------------

Or Carrick instead of Schneiderlin.
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:39 PM   #2065
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Good to see you on Twitter Bjorn, just give you a follow.


follows are hard to come by I'm learning! Not that I've really given it a go tweeting apart from my first few days there and now it's unclear just how much I'll be active after all. I'm still finding my way I guess you can say but I do know that I usually get very excited the first weeks of a new season and can't stop offering takes on every team I see so I could see things (my twitter-use) picking up again.
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:43 PM   #2066
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imagine the comedy if Utd's defense functions exactly like last season except DDG stops saving 99% of the shots on target!
lol, that ship tanks fast.

RE 4-3-3
Utd played their best football last season with Rooney playing up top. Unlike the when he played CAM-CM behind 2 strikers.
perhaps if this formation can be a little fluid mid game it's your best option
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:46 PM   #2067
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I think most of us are actually hoping he plays 433. It's just that the variant he's been playing on tour is more of a 4231 (he still calls it 433) with Memphis playing centrally, just off Rooney, more like a SS than a CAM, and two of Carrick/Scweinsteiger/Schneiderlin holding. I think most United fans were expecting/hoping for something more like this:

-------Schneiderlin--------
Schweinsteiger--Herrera-
Mata----------------Memphis
----------Rooney------------

Or Carrick instead of Schneiderlin.
It's Young on the left in the dreaded lineup then?
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:46 PM   #2068
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follows are hard to come by I'm learning! Not that I've really given it a go tweeting apart from my first few days there and now it's unclear just how much I'll be active after all. I'm still finding my way I guess you can say but I do know that I usually get very excited the first weeks of a new season and can't stop offering takes on every team I see so I could see things (my twitter-use) picking up again.
heh is that cricket you're tweeting about?
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:52 PM   #2069
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heh is that cricket you're tweeting about?
Haha I think Cricket is capturing me yeah. We'll see if it sticks but with enough time right now I've spent hours and hours watching the Ashes

I made this slightly drunken post:

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This is probably my greatest of all time sickening case of procrastinating but I find myself watching this having never ever watched live cricket before and my only previous exposure to cricket back in the day was hourly sports updates on sky news (which my neighborhood carried instead of CNN) in the 90s and early 00s where it seemed like England was always losing but I remember such things as Shane Warne and later some kind of heroic stand from Mike Atherton (against South Africa I think) who I found myself rooting for... I can still remember many of the players from this period but of course it was only highlights. If I could have watched back then I definitely would. I still don't think it's anywhere on tv here. Certainly not test cricket but of course now you can watch anything online though if my options are limited to poor streams instead of vpns or purchased quality, then that will be too big of an annoying stumbling block to overcome.

I don't know. Cricket definitely appeals to me in different ways and I'm still quite impressionable when it comes to personal new sports and getting into them, it has also been a while since the last time (which I guess was baseball where my interest is reduced to on and off the last couple of years) but there is so much I don't quite understand yet (though every other hour many things get clearer) and that's not even getting to the countless of nuances. Hell I can't even spot who is a good bowler and who isn't!

Sometimes the language both ITT and from the announcers is gibberish and then you think about all the things that you have missed. If only you'd have picked this great thing up earlier! Better late than never? Maybe.

My favorite chess player Peter Svidler became a cricket nut. I think he'll be my inspiration if I really do go down this complicated route.

Apologies for the slightly drunk rambling. I had to talk about this (to myself) somewhere to get somewhere. At least I didn't get into my reflections on whether to try and fight the original very settled inclination which is rooting for England (which I definitely will no matter what in this series) and whether class should be a factor in this issue. I am curious what the class make-up is on the England team? I assume not everyone is working class like the footballers but who knows. Maybe I'll go check what schools the various players went to.
What I was actually alluding to in the bottom part and which was thankfully not totally understood is that I didn't want to root for England if it was working-class chavs like their footballers (slightly joking of course but I don't always hesitate in somewhat throwing personal views/values and morals overboard when it comes to sports-entertainment and aesthetics - pro doping mostly and yes in some ways anti-helmets in Cycling are the first terrible things that come to mind).

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Old 07-30-2015, 06:56 PM   #2070
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What exactly is the 433 formation that you guys are starting to fear that LvG will be using?
So far in pre season it's been 4-2-3-1 with Young wide left, Mata wide right and Memphis central behind Rooney. The problem with the 2 is all of Schneiderlin/Carrick/Schweinsteiger (who he's mainly used) are primarily holding CM's so we keep neat and tidy possession but like always offer little to no penetration which is a big problem when Rooney is completely past being able to beat defenders, Young is meh and Mata never really had that in him anyway. Benching Herrera and Sellinh Di Maria takes away most of our ability to break the lines.

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I hope so but if memory serves me correctly I interpreted it pretty bad whenever here and there that he preferred defenders that I don't seriously rate ahead of him.

Not that I can't see arguments for Jones or Smalling over relative newcomer Rojo learning the ropes (just not both of them starters for Manchester freakin United!) I just disagree and start seeing worrying signs that Rojo probably isn't very highly rated by the coach.

We'll see what happens.
I like Rojo a lot, think he should be our starting LCB but he had quite a few injury problems last season and hasn't really got settled. Time will tell what LVG thinks.

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I think most of us are actually hoping he plays 433. It's just that the variant he's been playing on tour is more of a 4231 (he still calls it 433) with Memphis playing centrally, just off Rooney, more like a SS than a CAM, and two of Carrick/Scweinsteiger/Schneiderlin holding. I think most United fans were expecting/hoping for something more like this:

-------Schneiderlin--------
Schweinsteiger--Herrera-
Mata----------------Memphis
----------Rooney------------

Or Carrick instead of Schneiderlin.
I'd play Herrera on the right side since he seems to link up very well with Mata. It'd also be nice to have Pedro as an option on the right but that's what I'd like to see.
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It's Young on the left in the dreaded lineup then?
Yes. I don't think anyone has problems with Young playing these days though, he's earned the right to get games until he starts sucking again.

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So far in pre season it's been 4-2-3-1 with Young wide left, Mata wide right and Memphis central behind Rooney. The problem with the 2 is all of Schneiderlin/Carrick/Schweinsteiger (who he's mainly used) are primarily holding CM's so we keep neat and tidy possession but like always offer little to no penetration which is a big problem when Rooney is completely past being able to beat defenders, Young is meh and Mata never really had that in him anyway. Benching Herrera and Sellinh Di Maria takes away most of our ability to break the lines.



I like Rojo a lot, think he should be our starting LCB but he had quite a few injury problems last season and hasn't really got settled. Time will tell what LVG thinks.



I'd play Herrera on the right side since he seems to link up very well with Mata. It'd also be nice to have Pedro as an option on the right but that's what I'd like to see.
Yeah I just put Herrera +1 in CM, wasn't really thinking about which side I'd prefer him on. You're right about him probably fitting better on the right though.

I hope we get Pedro too, it's too late to be hoping for some massive signing now and he'd offer pace and goals from the right and should be fairly easily attainable.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:10 PM   #2072
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Mario Balotelli training separately from first team squad at LFC (so too Borini & Enrique) while club look for buyer

Seriously though, who's going to want Mario?

what's he on 80k £/wk? A 6 month loan to an MLS side is possibly feasible as long as there is no loan fee to go with it.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:13 PM   #2073
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wont be less than £100k/wk
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:15 PM   #2074
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80k according to google (6m euros per year)
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:18 PM   #2075
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Balo to Leeds, that's a show i'd watch.
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