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12-06-2015 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
yeah Leicester are an absurd/extreme example but it's clear that the TV deal is going to be a huge leveler over the next few seasons as the need for smaller clubs to sell star players is dramatically reduced.

In the case of John Stones, Everton's chairman Bill Kenwright was widely quoted as being adamant that selling him to Chelsea would be an unnecessary short-term move whereas keeping him and letting him prove his worth would be infinitely more profitable for both club and player. Seems pretty clear that he was right, but a few seasons ago he simply wouldn't have been able to pass up such a huge influx of cash. Thanks to the TV deal, he and other mid-lower club chairmen are sufficiently comfortable to hold on to big-money players and realise the longer-term EV.

It's a great time for the league as a whole. I doubt the boom will continue for more than a couple of years for multiple reasons, but right now it's fantastic.
Except he wasn't right at all. It could work out better for Stones, as the risk of him getting relegated to the bench in favor of someone that could be his dad (possibly literally) was too high. Everton won't ever get a significantly better deal though. Even if they somehow did get more money it won't have as much spending power on the market as the offer last summer.
12-06-2015 , 08:21 PM
Keeping the player for another season has a not insignificant cash value though!
12-06-2015 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mw828
Except he wasn't right at all. It could work out better for Stones, as the risk of him getting relegated to the bench in favor of someone that could be his dad (possibly literally) was too high. Everton won't ever get a significantly better deal though. Even if they somehow did get more money it won't have as much spending power on the market as the offer last summer.
Everton were absolutely right not to sell. Stones is getting better and better all the time which is great news for Everton.

I get your point about the better deal thing as in if Everton got £50m for him,it won't buy as much next year as £40m would get this year but sometimes clubs are better off just keeping the player. Being able to splash some cash in the transfer market doesn't necessarily make your team better. Look at Liverpool when they sold Suarez, or Spurs when they sold Bale, or even Villa when they sold Benteke. Loads of money to strengthen and all worse off.
12-06-2015 , 08:34 PM
Did some (very) rough expected value calculations for the next 4 games for the top 5 and end up with this on january 1

Arsenal - 37.25
City - 37.2
Leicester - 36.35
United - 36.3
Spurs - 33.3

Seems kind of reasonable, the January window should be pretty interesting
12-06-2015 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Muffed_Nutz
Everton were absolutely right not to sell. Stones is getting better and better all the time which is great news for Everton.

I get your point about the better deal thing as in if Everton got £50m for him,it won't buy as much next year as £40m would get this year but sometimes clubs are better off just keeping the player. Being able to splash some cash in the transfer market doesn't necessarily make your team better. Look at Liverpool when they sold Suarez, or Spurs when they sold Bale, or even Villa when they sold Benteke. Loads of money to strengthen and all worse off.
the counterpoint to this argument obviously being Southampton. If the scouting is good enough there is a wealth of talent around the world that does not cost megabucks that you can reinvest a huge transfer fee for. Also taking into account that there is a non-zero, and probably pretty high chance that the young promising player you have will never be worth 40m again.

Last edited by BookerT; 12-06-2015 at 08:45 PM.
12-06-2015 , 08:46 PM
and with a little bit of bad luck you get relegated and lose a ****load of cash
quality is so high now that "midtable teams" aren't safe anymore
12-06-2015 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cashy
and with a little bit of bad luck you get relegated and lose a ****load of cash
quality is so high now that "midtable teams" aren't safe anymore
Ya, you scout those cheap players and it simply doesn't work out for one reason or another. Your youth players aren't good enough/don't step up to the plate.

It's gonna be huge!

Nice article on the unpredictable PL!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35021767
12-06-2015 , 09:01 PM
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12-06-2015 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BookerT
the counterpoint to this argument obviously being Southampton. If the scouting is good enough there is a wealth of talent around the world that does not cost megabucks that you can reinvest a huge transfer fee for.
basically what aston villa did too as they sold benteke/delph and reinvested in a lot of promising players ayew/amavi/traore/gueye.
hasn't been working out so far(team rebuilding oftentimes takes some time) and now they look destined for relegation already
12-06-2015 , 09:19 PM
yeah you can't sell all of your valuable players at once. sadly, they were about the only valuable players on the team.

if everton lost stones it wouldn't have hurt them much and they could have got 3 top prospects with the money received from selling 1 top prospect. it would hurt them on wages though. when are big/useless earners (i'm assuming) like barry and pienaar coming off the books?
12-06-2015 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MindFckr
Unfortunately this is true.
I had such high hopes for him. Nice to see Campbell jump on this opportunity and I think he is already moved ahead of Ox in the pecking order.
Decided pretty early on that Campbell wasn't going to make it at Arsenal...been re-thinking that a lot in the past few weeks.

Mahrez is just awesome to watch. He just signed a 4-year extension a few months ago too.
12-07-2015 , 02:43 AM
FWIW use chances created instead of key passes.

Key Passes = passes that lead to shots but don't get scored
Chances Created = passes that lead to shots (so essentially cc = kp + assists).

Really stupid but worth noting.

To confuse things even more, statsbomb came up with their own stat called chances created which is key passes + personal shots taken. I believe they eventually changed the name to shot contribution instead to avoid confusion.
12-07-2015 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Muffed_Nutz
Mahrez signed a 4 year deal in the summer. We won't be selling him to anyone in January. Unless Real came in with 100m or something which won't happen.
12-07-2015 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Muffed_Nutz
We have brilliant, ambitious owners who have backed the team since the day they arrived. There is no debt at the club and they want long term, sustainable premier league football. If someone came in with £40m in January i wouldn't be surprised if we turned it down. If someone came in with £40m in July, then that might be different. One thing is for sure though, Leicester are not a selling club. The premier league is becoming more exciting for us "lesser" teams as the big pay day coming from next season's tv deal will go a long way towards preventing the "big 5 or 6" simply buying up the competition.
Leicester debt is £103m
12-07-2015 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BookerT
Did some (very) rough expected value calculations for the next 4 games for the top 5 and end up with this on january 1

Arsenal - 37.25
City - 37.2
Leicester - 36.35
United - 36.3
Spurs - 33.3

Seems kind of reasonable, the January window should be pretty interesting
You forgot to give Plop their EV of 12 points.
12-07-2015 , 04:48 AM
7-4 now, think Robertson's got this
12-07-2015 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
just spent a good 5 minutes searching for the little blue salt packet in a bag of Salt N Shake, only to conclude that there isn't one. What an infuriating experience that was.
Write a letter to the company like 2+2er Guallian or w/e his name was and post the evidence.

Last edited by HH; 12-07-2015 at 05:18 AM. Reason: Sick spoiler Giroud
12-07-2015 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Human Halo
And they are able to service the debt with no issues what so ever. Didn't even bother to check if it was debt the owner has placed on the club or moved to an interest free loan. Or he's shifted it to a different holding company - like Chelsea have.

The clubs assets are growing every year and with revenue of at least £100m next year if they stay in the premier league.

Their wages to turn over according to those figures is 130%, with revenue at £23m, giving them a wage of £30m. Those are their championship figures - which is high due to the owner wanting to get promoted. Make perfect sense.

They received £70m in TV rights alone last year, which will make their wage bill <50% which is awesome.

If they aren't in the PL they are pretty much ****ed - obviously unless the owner pumps more money in.

Last edited by kingweed; 12-07-2015 at 05:25 AM.
12-07-2015 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cashy
much better than lolbale who went for close to 100
U so jelly of Bale.
12-07-2015 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PoseidonCubed
Decided pretty early on that Campbell wasn't going to make it at Arsenal...been re-thinking that a lot in the past few weeks.

Mahrez is just awesome to watch. He just signed a 4-year extension a few months ago too.
Campbell is slowly establishing himself as a player you want to have in your squad. I thought this was a make or break year for Ox and it seems like it is going to be the former...maybe he is going to get a couple of starts still given our thin midfield I just dont see how he can just magically gain football intelligence in the coming weeks. Should have been Walcott 2.0 not Campbell Light
12-07-2015 , 06:22 AM
lol.

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MANCHESTER United has pledged to stop fans smuggling puzzles, games and books into Old Trafford to keep them occupied during matches.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/...20151207104497

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12-07-2015 , 06:23 AM
He's so much better technically than Walcott and is a much better dribbler as well, would still like to give him a bit more time and see how he looks after a long period without injury.

I think it was only last season where he was one of our best players over a few months and was actually using the ball relatively well before he got injured.

I know the chances of him actually avoiding injury are pretty small and if he has another setback then it's probably gg. I still think you're all a bit too quick to write him off, he's still miles ahead of Campbell.
12-07-2015 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Human Halo
Talksport's understanding of accounting and finance appears to be about as good as it is of anything else - terrible.
12-07-2015 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
This is great.

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Originally Posted by Giroudgeous
He's so much better technically than Walcott and is a much better dribbler as well, would still like to give him a bit more time and see how he looks after a long period without injury.

I think it was only last season where he was one of our best players over a few months and was actually using the ball relatively well before he got injured.

I know the chances of him actually avoiding injury are pretty small and if he has another setback then it's probably gg. I still think you're all a bit too quick to write him off, he's still miles ahead of Campbell.
Skill/physical attribute wise yes, but he just keeps running into players instead of taking clearly better passes. I hope I'm going to be wrong but I just don't see how he's going to stop those stupid things.
12-07-2015 , 07:08 AM
Monk's been sacked.

      
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