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Originally Posted by Jake7777
Pretty sure ~most itt know its not gonna be hugely impactful for Liverpool but FSG operates in narrative world and there Rodgers was unable to build on the second place finish and instead took them backwards as opposed to binked suarez, regressed
stupid, but here we are
"Know" seems a bit much. Especially given the following....
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Chelsea have actually played like a bottom 5 team for the first 1/5 of the season. Fourth place is open, but Rodgers wasn't getting it. So I think it's absolutely fine getting someone ASAP more likely to do so.
I agree. Even if you generally subscribe to the idea that the intrinsic value of "top" managers is overrated (and I think I do) I still think there can come a time when change is appropriate.
I find it interesting the way managerial changes are so often evaluated in terms of what the manager "deserves". When City decides at some point that they'd like to try to bring in Bony and move Dzeko on, we don't start comparing where City are today versus where they were before Dzeko, or asking whether Dzeko "deserved" more time.
LFC are in a position where taking one step forward could pay major dividends, whereas taking a step backward would be more or less irrelevant.
Going back to whether or not this change will be materially impactful, there is one thing that might differentiate the LFC situation from the largely middle and lower tier managerial changes that have been empirically shown to have little lasting impact. When a club swaps Pulis-for-Hughes, or Di Canio-for-Poyet, or Lambert-for-Sherwood, I'd argue that they are simply hoping that "different" will translate to "better", at least long enough to give them the boost they need to avoid relegation. I don't think many observers would argue that there is much of a hierarchical differentiation between, say, Pulis and Hughes, or anyone else on the mid-table carousel. On the other hand, even those who downplay the impact of managers in general would agree that Carlo Ancelotti is a better manager than Brendan Rodgers. So if (and I still believe it's a big IF) LFC are successful in luring Ancelotti or Klopp to Anfield, I think it's fair to hope for a greater impact than the average manager swap typically provides.
Would Suarez or Sterling have stayed for Carlo or Klopp? Certainly not Suarez, and I'm not so sure about Sterling either. I tend towards the view outlined by BAIDS below. But I'm of the opinion that the downside here is minimal, and the upside is enough to nick 4th place. And right now that's the club's focus.
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Originally Posted by BAIDS
klopp in would be the perfect storm of unrealistic expectation imo
its looking like the chief consequence of tbtvditw is that the middle and lower middle classes of the PL are going to be able to sign and retain B+ talent like cabeye, shaqiri, payet, ayew and so on, and its going to mean (already means) that far fewer games are of the 'turn up, make sure you dont get injured or red carded, win 3-0' variety that were pretty common when 2/3 of the league had to sell their best player every summer and all wiganesque teams were mandated by premier league rule 5.23.A to include at least one 35 year old fat bloke in the back 4 (ours was mario melchiot, and then later gary caldwell)
my point is that i doubt fans of the top teams have adjusted their expectation properly (btw make no mistake, casual poolfan still thinks they support a top team).
causal poolfan still fully expects to turn up at the likes of bournemouth and just batter the everlasting out them.
throw in klopp and his supposed magical tactics based powers, and it wont be long before the kop expects.
What an excellent post IMO. I think we all (supporters of the top third of the league) need to adjust to the reality that clubs like Swansea and West Ham are gonna have enough juice to smack us around on any given match day.