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10-05-2015 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
Whut? We believe we have the right manager = jose is the man. Hes not getting sacked
I might be wrong, but I believe there is quite a close correlation between statements of support and sackings.
10-05-2015 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
Whut? We believe we have the right manager = jose is the man. Hes not getting sacked
I take it you are not familiar with the phrase "the dreaded vote of confidence"?
10-05-2015 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BertieWooster
'the great levelling' has been coming for a while, and hasnt just been caused by tbtvditw - although that is the number 1 factor. big clubs just don't have as big an advantage with tactical(!) and technical expertise and there exist now so many really really ****ing good players who've been in top academies since they were toddlers playing in the ****ing championship that it's just hard for anybody to have a massive edge.

basically just the logic of diminishing marginal returns.
I think a bigger factor is that the bigger clubs can no longer cherry pick the players (obv that's down to the tv deal). We've had WBA turn down £20m+ offers and Everton turning down £40m bids for a youngster. So not only can they spend they can keep.

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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
Whut? We believe we have the right manager = jose is the man. Hes not getting sacked
Not sure if serious.
10-05-2015 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BookerT
I might be wrong, but I believe there is quite a close correlation between statements of support and sackings.
That's a great example of misusing statistics
10-05-2015 , 09:22 AM
Last time Chelsea did a VOC was for the Tinkerman,

Only lasted 3 years afterwards.
10-05-2015 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kingweed
Wonder if it's anything to do with him wanting full control over the transfers.
We need this more than we need a new manager. The transfer committee has been a total abomination. How could they even have look a managerial candidate in the eye and be like yea, we brought in Dejan Lovren for 20m, Adam Lallana for 25m, Lazar Markovic for 20m last season and now he's playing in Turkey, etc.. etc... but we are gonna keep making those buys while you have no say and just manage that crap on the field?
10-05-2015 , 10:08 AM
Article in the Guardian today says Klopp would have no issue with the transfer committee structure since he delegated player recruitment at Dortmund

I didn't know that
10-05-2015 , 10:11 AM
reminds me of the old adage

"A camel is a horse designed by committee"
10-05-2015 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake7777
Pretty sure ~most itt know its not gonna be hugely impactful for Liverpool but FSG operates in narrative world and there Rodgers was unable to build on the second place finish and instead took them backwards as opposed to binked suarez, regressed

stupid, but here we are
"Know" seems a bit much. Especially given the following....

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Chelsea have actually played like a bottom 5 team for the first 1/5 of the season. Fourth place is open, but Rodgers wasn't getting it. So I think it's absolutely fine getting someone ASAP more likely to do so.
I agree. Even if you generally subscribe to the idea that the intrinsic value of "top" managers is overrated (and I think I do) I still think there can come a time when change is appropriate.

I find it interesting the way managerial changes are so often evaluated in terms of what the manager "deserves". When City decides at some point that they'd like to try to bring in Bony and move Dzeko on, we don't start comparing where City are today versus where they were before Dzeko, or asking whether Dzeko "deserved" more time.

LFC are in a position where taking one step forward could pay major dividends, whereas taking a step backward would be more or less irrelevant.

Going back to whether or not this change will be materially impactful, there is one thing that might differentiate the LFC situation from the largely middle and lower tier managerial changes that have been empirically shown to have little lasting impact. When a club swaps Pulis-for-Hughes, or Di Canio-for-Poyet, or Lambert-for-Sherwood, I'd argue that they are simply hoping that "different" will translate to "better", at least long enough to give them the boost they need to avoid relegation. I don't think many observers would argue that there is much of a hierarchical differentiation between, say, Pulis and Hughes, or anyone else on the mid-table carousel. On the other hand, even those who downplay the impact of managers in general would agree that Carlo Ancelotti is a better manager than Brendan Rodgers. So if (and I still believe it's a big IF) LFC are successful in luring Ancelotti or Klopp to Anfield, I think it's fair to hope for a greater impact than the average manager swap typically provides.

Would Suarez or Sterling have stayed for Carlo or Klopp? Certainly not Suarez, and I'm not so sure about Sterling either. I tend towards the view outlined by BAIDS below. But I'm of the opinion that the downside here is minimal, and the upside is enough to nick 4th place. And right now that's the club's focus.

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Originally Posted by BAIDS
klopp in would be the perfect storm of unrealistic expectation imo

its looking like the chief consequence of tbtvditw is that the middle and lower middle classes of the PL are going to be able to sign and retain B+ talent like cabeye, shaqiri, payet, ayew and so on, and its going to mean (already means) that far fewer games are of the 'turn up, make sure you dont get injured or red carded, win 3-0' variety that were pretty common when 2/3 of the league had to sell their best player every summer and all wiganesque teams were mandated by premier league rule 5.23.A to include at least one 35 year old fat bloke in the back 4 (ours was mario melchiot, and then later gary caldwell)

my point is that i doubt fans of the top teams have adjusted their expectation properly (btw make no mistake, casual poolfan still thinks they support a top team).

causal poolfan still fully expects to turn up at the likes of bournemouth and just batter the everlasting out them.

throw in klopp and his supposed magical tactics based powers, and it wont be long before the kop expects.
What an excellent post IMO. I think we all (supporters of the top third of the league) need to adjust to the reality that clubs like Swansea and West Ham are gonna have enough juice to smack us around on any given match day.
10-05-2015 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
reminds me of the old adage

"A camel is a horse designed by committee"
Why would you request the hump bit? Cause that's just gonna get in the way innit
10-05-2015 , 10:25 AM
I can't believe this message would ever mean Chelsea are getting rid of Mourinho but then you guys seem so sure and are more accustomed to statements released by clubs in English. But that being said why is Mourinho still 4/1 to be next manager to leave if that means for sure he's getting sacked? I'm reading into it in the very first degree and don't really see no other reason to believe it's not
10-05-2015 , 10:30 AM
It's a shame we got rid of Colin Pascoe. Would have been majestic to have the king of shorts managing this weekend.
10-05-2015 , 10:31 AM
http://www.sporcle.com/games/prolifi...by-name-length

Surprisingly difficult for the really low and high letter surnames, got 60/95. Some random names in there I haven't heard in a long time.
10-05-2015 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
Why would you request the hump bit? Cause that's just gonna get in the way innit
Not if you're a Sheik and need to move around in the desert without your steed dying...
10-05-2015 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
Why would you request the hump bit? Cause that's just gonna get in the way innit
we're approaching the point at which every situation in life can be summed up with a Karl Pilkington quote. And that's surely a good thing.
10-05-2015 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Last time Chelsea did a VOC was for the Tinkerman,

Only lasted 3 years afterwards.
didnt avb get one and was sacked a few weeks later?

Last edited by ChopSueyyy; 10-05-2015 at 10:38 AM. Reason: well he got langers VOC at least
10-05-2015 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
I can't believe this message would ever mean Chelsea are getting rid of Mourinho but then you guys seem so sure and are more accustomed to statements released by clubs in English. But that being said why is Mourinho still 4/1 to be next manager to leave if that means for sure he's getting sacked? I'm reading into it in the very first degree and don't really see no other reason to believe it's not
the thing with the "dreaded vote of confidence" is the sample is hugely biased.

A statement of support from the board / chairman is only ever happening when the club is in, or approaching, crisis. So in many cases, the situation doesn't improve and the manager ends up leaving, and all the smart media hacks point back to the dreaded vote of confidence.

But yeah, the fact that Chelsea even feel the need to state their support for Mourinho suggests his job is less secure than it was at the start of the season. It's a kind of a silly paradox really, but there's some logic to it.
10-05-2015 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ChopSueyyy
didnt avb get one and was sacked a few weeks later?
He got the ultimate vote two days after a horrid performance at Everton:

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10-05-2015 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
I can't believe this message would ever mean Chelsea are getting rid of Mourinho but then you guys seem so sure and are more accustomed to statements released by clubs in English. But that being said why is Mourinho still 4/1 to be next manager to leave if that means for sure he's getting sacked? I'm reading into it in the very first degree and don't really see no other reason to believe it's not
Not sure what a similar phrase would mean in "Belgian" (whichever language is your native) but in German a phrase like that ("We have full confidence in our coach and we can guarantee that he's keeping his job") quite literally translates to "Yup, we're gonna sack him within the fortnight".
10-05-2015 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
the thing with the "dreaded vote of confidence" is the sample is hugely biased.

A statement of support from the board / chairman is only ever happening when the club is in, or approaching, crisis. So in many cases, the situation doesn't improve and the manager ends up leaving, and all the smart media hacks point back to the dreaded vote of confidence.

But yeah, the fact that Chelsea even feel the need to state their support for Mourinho suggests his job is less secure than it was at the start of the season. It's a kind of a silly paradox really, but there's some logic to it.
It's crazy that this even needs to be explained.
10-05-2015 , 10:52 AM
So my question remains : if this message means for sure Jose is getting the sack why is he still 4/1 to be next manager out ? Should I bet my large 25m² apartment on it?
10-05-2015 , 10:53 AM
it doesn't, basically. It's just an indicator that he's not 100% safe.

Last edited by LostOstrich; 10-05-2015 at 10:54 AM. Reason: though the possibility of owning 5 apartments may be worth the gamble
10-05-2015 , 10:53 AM
Just to clarify sacking him is obviously stupid but very possible.

Can't remember doing a langer but got 50% here:

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Originally Posted by ZAIDS
Really hope we win the league as I fear for Jose's mental health at this point should we not succeed. I've also been told it's hard to see a loved one go through such an episode. A league championship should keep him relatively sane for the winter months next season or it might get a little more weird.
Yea he's in the hole right now. But that's the downside. Not even surprised. Just hope he gets through this.

Got to say I love a good sacking though in any league - it's just exciting and while I should feel a little bad for the guy who lost his job he's probably in the 98% who are trying to accumulate as much £ as possible and then die. So not that bad when the payoff is huge.
10-05-2015 , 10:54 AM
Also I'm not sure comparing this sort of message is comparable to any other message say if Newcastle were to do it. It's a high profile club with a history of sacking managers quickly and a really high profile manager, there's so much speculation and questions being asked left right and center in the media with 2 weeks of international aids coming up that might just be chelsea giving an answer to those questions. Anyway as I said that might be naive thinking as i'm not accustomed to these sorts paradoxal club statements
10-05-2015 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
it doesn't, basically. It's just an indicator that he's not 100% safe.
Right. As it'd be the case with any manager at Chelsea going through bad results. Just seemed like a lot of you implied it was a sure thing based on that statement

      
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