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09-21-2015 , 07:03 AM
More indicative of sh1et reserves imo than ladder to league glory imo
09-21-2015 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MirZolzayn
best case scenario:
pool lose wedensday->
out of the cup (win)
rodgers out (win)
There's been a lot of idiotic things posted itt but this right here may take the cake. What kind of an idiot actually wants the team that he supports to lose a game.
09-21-2015 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Liverpool
There's been a lot of idiotic things posted itt but this right here may take the cake. What kind of an idiot actually wants the team that he supports to lose a game.
stop being so narrow minded.
losing this game gives a better chance at the league. that's it.
09-21-2015 , 08:53 AM
presumably brent will play the unknown children in the mickey mouse so going out doesnt help.

might be time for pool to just say right we're **** lets try to win the mickey mouse and the europa.
09-21-2015 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Liverpool
What kind of an idiot actually wants the team that he supports to lose a game.
*coughs*

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27168536
09-21-2015 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tall Paul
I can understand not being that upset about losing a match (for example a Mickey Mouse cup game), but when you actually want your team to lose you can no longer call yourself a supporter of that team.

I don't care how plus EV it is (and if it is plus EV to go out of the cup, why does the club enter it in the first place?), it's just wrong to root against your team.

I can maybe think of one situation where it might be acceptable and that's if by losing you stop your biggest rival (and I'm talking Arsenal/Spurs, Rangers/Celtic, Liverpool/Everton, Burnley/Venkys type rivalry) from winning the league. Even then I don't think I'd be comfortable with it.
Couldn't agree more.

It comes across as wanting Rodgers out for the sake of wanting Rodgers out. You get the impression it would be a disaster for him if Rodgers took Liverpool on a 10 match winning streak, cos then his job is safe. And not winning the league a couple of seasons was dodging a bullet because then Gerrard would have stayed around longer and Rodgers would be unsackable. A supporter surely wants their team to win every single game in every single competition, even though they know it is never going to be possible. If you think the manager is not up to the task then go ahead and vocalise that but meanwhile support your club, cos if your current manager can turn it around isn't that just as good?

Besides, the calculation that a cup defeat is better for Liverpool is based on some pretty dubious assumptions indeed IMO:

1. The relative lack of value of the cup versus league. Liverpool of all teams ought to value the cups higher than most, as they are unlikely to win any other honours and actually have a somewhat realistic chance of doing well.

2. If Liverpool sack Rodgers, they will be better off.

3. If Liverpool go out of cup, Rodgers' sack equity increases.

4. If Liverpool go out of cup, Liverpool's PL pts equity increases (independent on Rodgers being at the helm).
09-21-2015 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Liverpool
There's been a lot of idiotic things posted itt but this right here may take the cake. What kind of an idiot actually wants the team that he supports to lose a game.
I have wanted Liverpool to loose once.. When they played Blackburn in the last game of the season and Blackburn needed to win to be sure to deny Man U the title while the game was of no interest to Liverpool.

It felt really strange to watch that game.

Of course Liverpool won but Man U was kind enough not to win their game so all was good in the end
09-21-2015 , 09:22 AM
How to play the forward position for chelsea:

Spoiler:


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Last edited by ZAIDS; 09-21-2015 at 09:23 AM. Reason: no doubt costa is building hospitals somewhere for the less privileged.
09-21-2015 , 09:24 AM
what's better for the team is better for the team.
if losing is better for team than (it's weird but) it's what I'm rooting for.
now you can debate if it's better for the team or not.
09-21-2015 , 09:36 AM
Does Costa actually hurt anyone with his stuff (or expose them to risk)? I might be wrong, but I can't recall hard elbows, kicks, etc.(?). Will take that any day over a random who sunday league-style recklessly lunges into potentially bone-breaking tackles over and over again.
09-21-2015 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MirZolzayn
stop being so narrow minded.
losing this game gives a better chance at the league. that's it.
Gives us a better chance to do what in the league? Finish somewhere between 5-8 which is exactly what's going to happen regardless of how far we go in the league cup. The league cup gives us a great chance to give some kids more games and is one of the few chances we have of winning a trophy.
09-21-2015 , 09:51 AM
bold prediction:

rodgers finds himself much improved at managing and liverpool "rediscovers their identity" after being able to write sturridges name again on the teamsheet
09-21-2015 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MirZolzayn
what's better for the team is better for the team.
if losing is better for team than (it's weird but) it's what I'm rooting for.
now you can debate if it's better for the team or not.
lol standard plop fans

Assuming Rodgers isn't sacked in the next 2 weeks, I guess you'll be rooting for Everton in the derby? I mean, if plop win that one then Brenton is safe for a while. That would suck!
09-21-2015 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Liverpool
Gives us a better chance to do what in the league? Finish somewhere between 5-8 which is exactly what's going to happen regardless of how far we go in the league cup. The league cup gives us a great chance to give some kids more games and is one of the few chances we have of winning a trophy.
If you believe that with or without the league cup games we have the same chance of finishing 4th or winning europa league (both cases are zero for you) than you're right. I believe we a slim shot on both.

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
lol standard plop fans

Assuming Rodgers isn't sacked in the next 2 weeks, I guess you'll be rooting for Everton in the derby? I mean, if plop win that one then Brenton is safe for a while. That would suck!
3 pts >> everything
09-21-2015 , 10:37 AM
Sacking Rodgers will surely make the pool fans mad knowing that if they had done it at the end of last season they could have brought back kop hero Rafa, who never sold his house on the wirral. Rafa would've told Madrid where to stick their contract.

Genuine opinion: Brent doesn't deserve sack. Plenty of pool fans / opinion givers praised him in 13/14 for being 'brave' and 'bold' to experiment. All fine if experiment goes well. Now experiments with line ups going wrong - he must go. Is he no longer 'brave' and 'bold'?

Last edited by ZAIDS; 09-21-2015 at 10:42 AM.
09-21-2015 , 11:00 AM
the same plop fans who wanted a Rodgers statue 2 seasons ago are the ones who want him sacked now. At least they're consistently results orientated!
09-21-2015 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ZAIDS
Sacking Rodgers will surely make the pool fans mad knowing that if they had done it at the end of last season they could have brought back kop hero Rafa, who never sold his house on the wirral. Rafa would've told Madrid where to stick their contract.

Genuine opinion: Brent doesn't deserve sack. Plenty of pool fans / opinion givers praised him in 13/14 for being 'brave' and 'bold' to experiment. All fine if experiment goes well. Now experiments with line ups going wrong - he must go. Is he no longer 'brave' and 'bold'?
The problem that most Liverpool fans have with Rodgers is that there doesn't seem to be a plan. We are in his 4th year at the club and we're rebuilding yet again. Regardless of the fact that we have sold Suarez, Sterling, and have had Sturridge injured we still don't have a foundation for a simple style of play. This is probably the reason why our player recruitment is so ****ed up. Rodgers brought in players this past summer specifically for the 4-3-3 and now we are back to playing a variation of 3-4-3.

Plus the absolute abject results and performances this year are ****ing god awful.
09-21-2015 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
the same plop fans who wanted a Rodgers statue 2 seasons ago are the ones who want him sacked now. At least they're consistently results orientated!
his ability can change... the situation can change...
09-21-2015 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Liverpool
The problem that most Liverpool fans have with Rodgers is that there doesn't seem to be a plan. We are in his 4th year at the club and we're rebuilding yet again. Regardless of the fact that we have sold Suarez, Sterling, and have had Sturridge injured we still don't have a foundation for a simple style of play. This is probably the reason why our player recruitment is so ****ed up. Rodgers brought in players this past summer specifically for the 4-3-3 and now we are back to playing a variation of 3-4-3.

Plus the absolute abject results and performances this year are ****ing god awful.
dont you need wingers with pace (often) to play 433. looks like he bought players to play 4-2-2-2 formation iyam
09-21-2015 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
the same plop fans who wanted a Rodgers statue 2 seasons ago are the ones who want him sacked now. At least they're consistently results orientated!
If he had built on that season instead of ripping up the blueprints and starting over then he'd probably not be the favorite to be sacked. In our last 20 games, we've scored 1 goal in 18 of them. We've also won something like 4 or 5 of those 20 games.

You can **** on Liverpool fans and their unrealistic expectations for the club but anyone can see that the performances and the results have simply not been acceptable.
09-21-2015 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Burnss
dont you need wingers with pace (often) to play 433. looks like he bought players to play 4-2-2-2 formation iyam
Not necessarily but you do need good width which you can get from fullbacks. We also had a pacey winger in Markovic who he shipped off to Turkey.
09-21-2015 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Liverpool
The problem that most Liverpool fans have with Rodgers is that there doesn't seem to be a plan. We are in his 4th year at the club and we're rebuilding yet again. Regardless of the fact that we have sold Suarez, Sterling, and have had Sturridge injured we still don't have a foundation for a simple style of play. This is probably the reason why our player recruitment is so ****ed up. Rodgers brought in players this past summer specifically for the 4-3-3 and now we are back to playing a variation of 3-4-3.

Plus the absolute abject results and performances this year are ****ing god awful.
Being concerned is fine because he's not finding a balance at the moment and no guarantees he gets more out of the squad he has from this point forward. Results-wise - 6th last year, low goals return (Sturridge out for season, Suarez sold tho), poor start this season is below expectations but top 4 is above expectations when you consider the teams above have more money therefore can invest better and rarely have to sell best players. Pool fans are in a tricky spot wrt to overall satisfaction where 5th is right but feels ****. I just don't think change this early in the season is the solution here.
09-21-2015 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ZAIDS
How to play the forward position for chelsea:

Spoiler:


Spoiler:
So Busquets will be the next Chelsea forward?
09-21-2015 , 11:15 AM
I'm sure if Suarez and Sturridge were still playing every week Rodgers would still be a genius
09-21-2015 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ZAIDS
Genuine opinion: Brent doesn't deserve sack. Plenty of pool fans / opinion givers praised him in 13/14 for being 'brave' and 'bold' to experiment. All fine if experiment goes well. Now experiments with line ups going wrong - he must go. Is he no longer 'brave' and 'bold'?
This about sums up how I feel. People like to lolplop and I'm definitely included there. Brent makes that easier but it's more to do with the cringe factor than him being a terrible manager. Personally, I think it's much worse for a manager to err by being rigid in his choice of tactics and personnel, especially when things clearly aren't working. If he'd have chosen the same tactics and lineup for the Norwich game and gotten a similar performance and result, that would be worse imo.

      
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