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09-18-2015 , 03:44 AM

#10126

FeralCreature

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So what exactly is a great German beer in your eyes?

09-18-2015 , 03:47 AM

#10127

SaulGoodman

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getting more like the NFL everyday

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...-fifa-brussels

09-18-2015 , 04:13 AM

#10128

joejoe1337

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LFC_USA

uwot? America does german and belgian beers better than Germany and Belgium

Come on dude. American beer can be excellent, but let's not go crazy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by royalblue

As far as beer goes, czech > belgian

Wrong.

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Originally Posted by Human Halo

Do adults without children actually buy McDonalds?

Unfortunately yes.

09-18-2015 , 04:24 AM

#10129

xXDeuce7Xx

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KDawg

Not familiar with them. I haven't heard too much about them in trading circles either.

But, there have been some very small craft breweries in the states that have emerged doing some very special stuff form places one wouldn't expect. Toppling Goliath are in the middle of Northern Iowa (basically nothing but corn for miles) and have fast become a darling due to one of the best American APAs being in their lineup.

American beers are extremely good. You clearly haven't had great american stuff. It also depends on what one considers the standard. There are a lot of American Wild Ales that are competing on a relative level with a lot of top Belgian Gueuzes, Flemish Reds, and Oud Bruins. I've also had a decent amount of 'Murican Belgian Tripels that can compete with many Belgian ones (though nothing that comes close to Westmalle).

As far as German Styles, there aren't that many American brewers that can nail them fresh the way that zee Germans can. But, as far as a great american Bohemian Pilsner goes, Heater-Allen's Pils comes close.

heh, yea, Keller can do that. While I'm not as big of a fan as many are of Keller, that **** can get stupid ****ing good. Welcome to the biz my man, where we make **** money, but at least do get to drink pretty damn well.

Something you probably will notice as you get more into cooking is that you may end up with a preference for higher acid wines.

um, no. Don't get me wrong, Jack's Abbey makes some pretty wicked beers in a "German Style", but they are the only thing (outside of Heater-Allen) that comes close to German styles. As far as Belgian beers, nothing domestically can compete with Westmalle, Rochefort (yes, I prefer the 10 over Westy 12), or Cantillon. And I do mean nothing hits their heights (and I say this as an avowed Cascade slut).

I read the facebook event for their visit again, it seems they normally only serve at their bar in Gilbert, Arizona and don't sell to stores/other bars so no wonder you haven't heard of them.

Oh and +1 on Westmalle GOAT. Rochefort and Chimay too. Haven't tried the other trappists yet, but my friend used to live in Brussels and he says they're somewhat inferior, Orval especially.

09-18-2015 , 04:25 AM

#10130

FeralCreature

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As far as boring German pilsners go, this is my favorite:

09-18-2015 , 04:41 AM

#10131

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FeralCreature

As far as boring German pilsners go, this is my favorite:

Does it add chocolate or cinnamon or something like that? Just asked because you said you like american craft beer, and dont like boring pilsner. Sometimes less is more. Googled to check they did not add pine cones.

Spoiler:

09-18-2015 , 04:48 AM

#10132

FeralCreature

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LOL at your hopeless strawman. Now could you answer the question please and inform me which amazing German beer I should be sampling?

09-18-2015 , 04:52 AM

#10133

O.A.F.K.1.1

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I just must be running really bad with Yank beer. All the worst beers I have drunk have been Yank craft beers by a long long margin.

When ever I see one I have not seen before I try it as assuming it must be run bad, but they all fail in the same way. Take some tried and tested formula, put a spin on it, spin fails horribly.

09-18-2015 , 05:00 AM

#10134

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Might be biased, but Pilsner my #1 probably forever. But I'm not really a snob, enjoy a nice Stella, Corona and really liked some american craft beers, people recommended the San Diego craft scene and everything I tried was good and interesting

09-18-2015 , 05:05 AM

#10135

O.A.F.K.1.1

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When you clearly state its sarcasm its not a strawman. LOL U.

I dont have a particular favourite Pilsner, its just base to call something as classically beautiful as a Pilsner boring. Its quite hard to get a range of beers here, but a local shop sells Weihenstephaner Pilsner which I really like when I am in the mood for lager. Drunk a ton of Pilsners when in Europe and they have all been excellent.

09-18-2015 , 05:12 AM

#10136

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Pilsners are boring though. People drink them for exactly that reason. Every time I've tried to get a German to taste a Belgian beer their reaction has been "What? This has way too much flavor. How am I supposed to down 6 pints of this?"

09-18-2015 , 05:14 AM

#10137

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Dont like to think I am a snob, but Stella is one beer I would never drink unless really in a tight spot. Fine with most other mass beers, just think Stella is the devils urine. Gives the most hellish hangovers evaaar.

09-18-2015 , 05:16 AM

#10138

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Pilsner has tons of flavour, wtf.

Maybe it does not nuke your taste buds with loads of really obvious fruit like a Belgian beer does, but a Pilsner still has tons of flavour, you are just not refined enough to appreciate it. Bitterness, sharpness, these are flavours.

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09-18-2015 , 05:18 AM

#10139

Burnss

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thx for the replies.

Do you really change your tastebuds to like beer? I thought it was more like "drink it when youre a teenager, pretend it tastes good as youre 14 y/o and want to get drunk, by time youre 16-19 you start to get used to the taste and embrace it"

kind of like coffee...I cant imagine too many people like coffee on the first try or second

edit: you might be talking about beer beer, not lager beer. My bad

09-18-2015 , 05:20 AM

#10140

royalblue

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I didn't even know Weihenstephan made Pils. Let's hope it's better than traditional Pils breweries trying to produce Weizen

09-18-2015 , 05:32 AM

#10141

royalblue

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Originally Posted by LFC_USA

I loved a lot of beers in Europe. Pilsner Urquell and Budvar Budweiser for like $1.50 a pint in Prague were amazing. And they taste wayyyyyy better than they do here.

Not sure if that's what you mean, but yeah, export versions of the Czech lagers really suffer a lot. Obviously getting it from the barrel will always be better than bottles, but imo much more so with Budweiser/Pilsner/Staropramen. In Prague pubs/restaurants they're probably my peak beer experience.

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Originally Posted by FeralCreature

Also, German beer is massively overrated for reasons I can't figure out. Yay for one hundred thousands variations on boring pilsners! What is the point?

I've also tried some German abbey beers and they were so incredibly inferior to their Belgian counterparts.

Yeah, the Reinheitsgebot restricts a lot, but smaller breweries don't have to follow it 100% up to certain outputs IIRC. Also, it ensures a really high floor, some of the cheapest **** is still very drinkable, which is nice because

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanerio

Yeah like half the time i just grab dos equis or becks or corona cos i, along w 98% of notBSW just want COLD ALCOHOL on a HOT day

Most of the time

09-18-2015 , 05:36 AM

#10142

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My local Tesco does this beer from Cyprus called Keo that is really cheap and I really like it as a go to session beer in the summer. Have converted a number of friends to it, googled it to check my taste was in order:

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OVERALL: Unexpectedly, Cyprus has delivered one of the best adjunct lagers I've ever had. It's far from world-class, but within its style I think it warrants attention. This may be the apex of macrobrewing, and I'd happily revisit this beer were it not for its pricetag in Finland. In Cyprus, though, I'm sure this would make a stellar go-to. Well worth trying if you try it with an open mind. I look forward to having more beers from KEO Limited, and KEO Beer is a shockingly drinkable offering for what it is; its pilsner leanings are what raise it above other adjunct lager expressions. And they seem to have their water chemistry near perfect.

Cant go wrong with the apex of macro brewing. Also never heard the term adjunct lager before but if my understanding of it is correct, Euro's making Yank beer better than them.

09-18-2015 , 05:41 AM

#10143

FeralCreature

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Quote:

Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Maybe it does not nuke your taste buds with loads of really obvious fruit like a Belgian beer does, but a Pilsner still has tons of flavour, you are just not refined enough to appreciate it. Bitterness, sharpness, these are flavours.

Ah, the emperor's clothes argument. Who could have seen that coming?

09-18-2015 , 05:44 AM

#10144

FeralCreature

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Originally Posted by royalblue

And you're right, it is totally drinkable.

09-18-2015 , 05:44 AM

#10145

LostOstrich

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DESPERADOS >>> everything else

09-18-2015 , 05:46 AM

#10146

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Gonna have to face the fact that you are completely wrong on this issue. There are clothes, and you are just a bit of a beer pleb who can only appreciate the obvious.

Am going to be greatly suprised if anyone else chimes in to support your Pilsner has no flavour argument. Maybe Kingweed or Marty. As I said bitterness, sharpness etc, these are flavours full of subtley and complexity. Yum so stimulating.

09-18-2015 , 05:47 AM

#10147

SaulGoodman

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Chang ftw

09-18-2015 , 05:48 AM

#10148

FeralCreature

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Quote:

Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Cant go wrong with the apex of macro brewing. Also never heard the term adjunct lager before but if my understanding of it is correct, Euro's making Yank beer better than them.

An aside, aren't these beer reviews awful? WTF is 'water chemistry'? And this one doesn't even get into the 'citrus with a hint of cherry' pretentious BS.