2 bucks 30 white wine GÖAT for cheap summer boozing. Really needs to be watered down though.

Had some great craft beers when I was in America last year, but the generic stuff is pretty awful across the board. Shout out to Gumballhead

uwot? America does german and belgian beers better than Germany and Belgium

Well yea obv. Awful. Absolutely awful. But the craft beer scene is so good now and most of the really really good places don't distribute outside of their state and a couple others. Here in NJ we have Kane and Carton which are outstanding. Tired Hands in Philadelphia isn't far. Other Half in Brooklyn. I could go on and on but they all blow away anything in Europe. Although Kabinet Brewery in Belgrade was absolutely fantastic. Impressed wasn't even the word. Their Supernova IPA is one of the best beers I've ever had.

Also that warm flat **** you guys drink in England should be banned. You guys don't deserve that

What type of tastes do like beer can taste widely different between all the types.

Huge surprise to see LFC_USA being emphatically wrong on a subject.

I guess the problem you have with flat, room-temperature beer is that the prospect of actually tasting some different flavours is overwhelming for you. Make it cold, carbonated and full of hops seems to be the American way these days. Boring IMO and too much similarity from beer to beer. That isn't to say there aren't some great American beers.

The craft scene in America is only remarkable for how relatively new the phenomenon is. You're not doing anything better in terms of variety or style than England/Germany/Belgium. There are even some craft breweries I can think of in the UK that do the American style (add ****loads of hops, in a nutshell) as well as America does, by the way.

Not lambasting American beer, it's just you (and other Americans) seem to think you're breaking new ground which is just completely LOL.

yeah i leave my tripels out of the fridge a while 4 sure

literally can't buy it at bars since it'll be @ like 3-4 degrees instead of ~8 which is far superior

you're basically watering a single malt down with coke if you have your flavoursome beers like porters/tripels/stouts ice cold

Not familiar with them. I haven't heard too much about them in trading circles either.

But, there have been some very small craft breweries in the states that have emerged doing some very special stuff form places one wouldn't expect. Toppling Goliath are in the middle of Northern Iowa (basically nothing but corn for miles) and have fast become a darling due to one of the best American APAs being in their lineup.

American beers are extremely good. You clearly haven't had great american stuff. It also depends on what one considers the standard. There are a lot of American Wild Ales that are competing on a relative level with a lot of top Belgian Gueuzes, Flemish Reds, and Oud Bruins. I've also had a decent amount of 'Murican Belgian Tripels that can compete with many Belgian ones (though nothing that comes close to Westmalle).

As far as German Styles, there aren't that many American brewers that can nail them fresh the way that zee Germans can. But, as far as a great american Bohemian Pilsner goes, Heater-Allen's Pils comes close.

heh, yea, Keller can do that. While I'm not as big of a fan as many are of Keller, that **** can get stupid ****ing good. Welcome to the biz my man, where we make **** money, but at least do get to drink pretty damn well.

Something you probably will notice as you get more into cooking is that you may end up with a preference for higher acid wines.

um, no. Don't get me wrong, Jack's Abbey makes some pretty wicked beers in a "German Style", but they are the only thing (outside of Heater-Allen) that comes close to German styles. As far as Belgian beers, nothing domestically can compete with Westmalle, Rochefort (yes, I prefer the 10 over Westy 12), or Cantillon. And I do mean nothing hits their heights (and I say this as an avowed Cascade slut).

As far as beer goes, czech > belgian

Yup. Pretty much.

Add on to that the best ipas and stouts, lol Europe.

This Saturday is zwanze day for you cantillion lovers. Bunch of bars in America got shipments and are having events for it. I happen to live near two.

Armsby Abbey's (Worcester, ma) has one of the more insane tap lists I've ever seen.

I think the Euros in this thread are thinking of like Sam Adams or Goose Island when they're commenting on American craft beers.

I loved a lot of beers in Europe. Pilsner Urquell and Budvar Budweiser for like $1.50 a pint in Prague were amazing. And they taste wayyyyyy better than they do here. Delirium Cafe in Belgium had some pretty great beers on tap and over 2,000 from around the world. I did not try all 2,000 but the next morning definitely felt like I did. I love a Guiness in Ireland (again way different from here).

Then for the smaller breweries when I lived in Sweden I probably tried about 50 different beers in my time there. They were all pilsner-esque that weren't bad, and some I actually enjoyed, but nothing special, or a "dark" beer, not quite a stout or a porter, just malty and dark. LOL Sweden's liquor laws by the way, at the least the town I lived in.

I'm sure there are some small craft breweries popping up all over Europe and I'd love to try them. Like I said Kabinet Brewery in Belgrade was absolutely outstanding. They do a lot of really good beers, but an absolutely outstanding IPA (Supernova) and the fact you can get it so fresh definitely helps.

As for the lol we just add a ton of hops and it all taste the same. There has been so much experimentation with all beers, especially IPAs. All sorts of different hops and different ingredients to make some tremendously different flavors. Just as an example, Kane Brewing, which is about 20 minutes from my house, so I can actually go, and is one of the higher rated breweries in the tri-state area, has a few beers that are fixtures and then they are always experiementing with new beers that you can try at the brewery. Some are amazing, some aren't that great, but all are very different. They recently did an amazing stout infused with Sumatra coffee beans from a local independent coffee shop. It was called Morning Bell and it was outstanding.

That's just 1 brewery, there are so many like that. I'd a lot of breweries here up against any in Europe. Europe isn't ****, but to condemn the American craft beer scene is just silly, but then if you like drinking warm flat flavorless beer than I guess it's not really your thing anyway

cool story bro

its just beer in the end, you're being a BSW

Bsw = beer snob wanker

AMIRITE?

Yeah like half the time i just grab dos equis or becks or corona cos i, along w 98% of notBSW just want COLD ALCOHOL on a HOT day

I'm def a BSW. I don't eat McDonald's either, I eat real meat and real burgers, so BSW could apply to that too. I like good ****

FANNYGOAT

Lol

Do adults without children actually buy McDonalds?

as I've been drinking more, I want to espouse on this a bit. I remember years ago you not digging Barolo and not liking Champagne at all. I'm now very interested to see where this goes as both of those two regions satisfy a lot of different dishes and palate tastes. Granted, these regions+burgundy are my (well, Piemonte) 3 core in what I drink and care about.

Your massive benefit is being able to visit these areas much more easily than I can. And I would say that you shouldn't sleep on how amazing German Riesling can be as it pairs beautifully with many dishes that Alsace and Austrian riesling doesn't necessarily do.

I've been meaning to say this, but, go after your dream of cooking. You've made good money via poker, so do what truly motivates you. I've done the retail thing and it's taken me 8 years to realize what I really want. Hopefully it doesn't take that long, but visit as many wine regions as you can (along with emerging wine+food regions as I'm in my 30s and it's harder than you being in your 20s).

Essence of Yank world view.

Btw ive solved burgers too

Its brisket/bacon fat and msg

Sounds great, I'll take two.

I'm a Euro and I agree with LFC_USA's statement. American craft beers are amazing, as good or better as what they are emulating / imitating. And sometimes completely novel as well.

Pilsner Urquell is disgusting though.

Also, German beer is massively overrated for reasons I can't figure out. Yay for one hundred thousands variations on boring pilsners! What is the point?

I've also tried some German abbey beers and they were so incredibly inferior to their Belgian counterparts.

lol @ boring pilsners.

You could not have done more to invalidate your opinion.