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Old 06-18-2015, 02:52 PM   #76
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Re: English Football 2014/2015 - Chelsea Champions

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Old 06-18-2015, 02:55 PM   #77
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Dmitar Berbatov - F
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:59 PM   #78
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I'm too lazy to compare cost between these two groups, especially considering inflation. Seems like level one analysis though, and maybe it was just Fergie who sucked at buying foreign talent
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Old 06-18-2015, 03:02 PM   #79
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Chelsea definitely running good on overseas flips lately but they have some serious making up to do for Smertin, Mutu, Crespo, Kezman, Del Horno, Shevchenko, Boulahrouz, Deco, Bosingwa, Zhirkov and Luiz.

I'm pretty sure 25m Oscar will end up in that camp.

#coinflipping
Boswinga, Luiz and Crespo dont belong on this list. However bad you think Luiz is, its moot when you make a big profit on him. Unibrow had 125 appearances and CL winners medal. Yea he was AIDS at the end but had some good seasons.

Which leaves a list of a mere 8 players.

Also Oscar will never end up in that camp. I know its probably lost on you but he was key to our success last season and we play much better with him on the pitch than without.
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Old 06-18-2015, 03:33 PM   #80
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Ralph ****ing Milne.
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:36 PM   #81
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On that basis Jon Obi Mikel is a big success for us because we made a 16m profit from you stealing him. Chelsea fans have seen more Oscar than I have so I bow to their knowledge.

I don't think it should be a surprise to anyone one that proven Premiership performers are going to do better on average than unproven Prem players...where's the mystery? It's obvious.

Clyne and Coleman are definitely going to be favourites to be a success at United than any sample of non-Prem players.
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:38 PM   #82
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He's the most expensive player Fergie ever signed!!!! Of course he's a failure on that basis, ended up being a substitute. His next team was Fulham FFS that's a pretty epic fall.
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:45 PM   #83
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He's the most expensive player Fergie ever signed!!!! Of course he's a failure on that basis, ended up being a substitute. His next team was Fulham FFS that's a pretty epic fall.
Berbatov scored more goals in the cl last season than all of united combined.
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:45 PM   #84
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:46 PM   #85
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I mean seriously, how can he be serious?
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:47 PM   #86
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So you actually value "premier league proven" over football talent? You'd rather sign Romelol Lolkaku, who makes Rooney's first touch look positively Berbatovesque, than say, Benzema?
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:49 PM   #87
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How can Quinton Fortune be a fail but Valencia a success?

Do tell.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:09 PM   #88
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lol whut HH?

Guess I'll go back into hibernation until the season starts :-)
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:32 PM   #89
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lol whut HH?

Guess I'll go back into hibernation until the season starts :-)
Compare their stats and then think about the positions they played and then compare the amount of money they cost in relation to the turnover at the club during the times they played at Man U.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:35 PM   #90
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david may = failure
ronny johnsen = success!
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:37 PM   #91
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Don't see what's wrong about that sixfour. Johnsen was very good for us, May not so much.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:41 PM   #92
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Don't see what's wrong about that sixfour. Johnsen was very good for us, May not so much.
those two plus berg were mostly interchangeable opposite pallister/stam
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:43 PM   #93
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Nah, Johnsen was a far better player than May. Injuries did it for him. May was basically signed mostly for his englishness.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:45 PM   #94
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yeah, i do tend to agree that johnsen was better, but not that much better that one suddenly crosses the success/fail arbitrary line. besides, JD's not really taking into account expectations and the role someone has within the squad, it's like him describing kusczzsckzskckzsckzskckszak as a failure, if he was expecting him to be a new schmeichel that's kind of lol
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Yeah, no argument there, his list is useless for a number of reasons.
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Old 06-18-2015, 08:59 PM   #96
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Re: English Football 2014/2015 - Chelsea Champions

In after joediego

Arsenal for the Top four trophy once again, and maybe a title push.
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:09 PM   #97
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Ten points is a lot, but there was Chezzers horror show at Soton, a pretty average Ospina performance towards the end that cost points, and at least one other draw that was a result of keeping error. Not to say Cech would necessarily not made the same number of point costing errors over a season, but with the apparent smallish cost it hardly seems like it would limit other business.
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:12 PM   #98
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I can definitely see Arsenal make a real title push this season. With the squads as they are now, I'd take Arsenal over City. Just need a couple of class signings and for City not to go bonkers and somehow land Pogba, Sterling and De Bruyne.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:55 AM   #99
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Re: English Football 2014/2015 - Chelsea Champions

I mean it was an extremely simplistic list with no shades of grey, but it proved a point that buying players with zero Prem experience is often a gamble.

But I've had somebody make an argument for Quinton Fortune being on a par with Antonio Valencia, a knowledgeable poster had a nightmare and compared David May to the great Ronny Johnsen, and someone else tried to argue that 30m Berbatov was a success.

That's what I'm dealing with.

Is anybody actually arguing with the premise that buying from outside the Prem is a coin flip?
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:08 AM   #100
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i want to spew on Liverpool.

will take Liverpool > Spurs/Everton at evens.

will need good odds for Arsenal/Utd.

probably looking to bet about $500 on each.
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