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Old 08-24-2015, 05:54 PM   #6951
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If 'the best' equals City and Chelsea, then yes, very unlikely we can compete. No reason we can't push Arsenal and Utd on today's viewing.
City are the only team to have started the season above expectations really. No one else has hit the ground running. The real key for the contenders is once you start having two games a week how they fare.
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:54 PM   #6952
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My obviously biased view: we shouldn't let Chambers kick the ball ever again, not in an arsenal shirt. Gabriel seems like the exact CB backup/future starter that we need (great recovery, aggressive, good on the ball).
Gabriel >> Mert? A Gabriel - Kos CB pairing would be pretty tasty, and allow Arsenal to play the high line a little more comfortably.
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:56 PM   #6953
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City are the only team to have started the season above expectations really. No one else has hit the ground running. The real key for the contenders is once you start having two games a week how they fare.
No CL for us is big - yes we have EL but I really expect us to phone that in and barely play any starters, esp as we now have a big and fairly deep squad.
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:56 PM   #6954
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I'm obviously hyperboling on chambers, but it was a truly awful watch. He was passing the ball in the middle from the right side when there is some dangerous pressing being done from plop, which seems to be a rookie mistake, but thankfully Cech GOAT!

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Gabriel >> Mert? A Gabriel - Kos CB pairing would be pretty tasty, and allow Arsenal to play the high line a little more comfortably.
I don't think Mert should be or will be dropped this season, maybe rotate a bit? but Mert-Kos partnership works really well thus far, but yes, I think next season will be the Kos-Gabriel high line one. He seems like a steal for the price we got him for tbh
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:57 PM   #6955
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i thought the point of gabriel was for him to play alongside Kos. and get rid of mert who is slow as ****. But you arsenal fans raved about how good that partnership was and that it wasnt happening. That he was olny backup.
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:57 PM   #6956
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Gabriel has looked pretty good in nearly every game since we bought him, but he hasn't played a ton and I'm still unsure just how good he is. He's obviously good, but no Arsenal fan has been pouring GOAT all over him because he needs more minutes to assert himself. Mert likely has another two years in him, there was an interview this week where he talked about life after football in some publication this week, worth a read. He's very well spoken.

We mainly attack down the left because Ozil prefers to drift that way.

The problem with Chambers today was that he telegraphed every single pass and never got rid of the ball quickly or delivered it with pace.
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:58 PM   #6957
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that xg chart is a clear forgery, no chance pool had sub 2 goals
Aren't all xG deeply subjective because of the qualification of "quality chances" as opposed to "rubbish chances" -- I mean, you can obviously quantify that to some level, but ultimately there is going to be bias in the model (not towards a team, but towards the types of chances valued over others)
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:08 PM   #6958
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:10 PM   #6959
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There's a good amount that goes into factoring chance quality for XG.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:10 PM   #6960
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So the magic xG x some sort of goal scoring efficiency stat = football solved game?

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Old 08-24-2015, 06:11 PM   #6961
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Aren't all xG deeply subjective because of the qualification of "quality chances" as opposed to "rubbish chances" -- I mean, you can obviously quantify that to some level, but ultimately there is going to be bias in the model (not towards a team, but towards the types of chances valued over others)
my guess is that if players consistently outperform xG on certain types of chances then an adjustment is made in the moodal.

its based on data, so if the data changes (ie people start scoring more from outside the box cos jabulani or something like that) then so will the xG of outside the box shots
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:12 PM   #6962
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neither of them were pens prob, coquellin on coutinho in the first seemed like a foul and maybe a red though
This is what I thought at the time, need to see it again tho.

Coq got the ball in the second vs Benteke.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:12 PM   #6963
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Draw fair result but Lino call makes me think arse unlucky , liverpools best chances got matched by Cech. Sanchez surely gets his shooting boots on soon , is there personal XG charts lol
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:14 PM   #6964
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Coq clearly wins both tackles , bit desperate defending but it worked.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:15 PM   #6965
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Absolutely mind boggling this is scoreless. Coutinho is incredible. That double dummy holy ****.
Less scorepoints than Christian "disappears against Top 8" Eriksen. Obviously a worse footballer.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:16 PM   #6966
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Bertie post the gif you saw of the tackle on Coutinho
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:17 PM   #6967
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Too many factors to ever solve football. Plenty of room though to quantify performance through advanced stats. Lot of cool stuff out there ATM. Geggenpress stat and fast shot stat that highlight leverkusens style two pretty cool ones atm.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:18 PM   #6968
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Coq clearly wins both tackles , bit desperate defending but it worked.
Coq is especially the player we need in those situations, he seems reckless and too risky at times,but you have to take those tackles or else the opposition gets a huge scoring chance, he seems to be deciding correctly on those lunges.

I still have to thank Imothep that he wasn't sent off last weekend vs CP (which he absolutely should have been)
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:18 PM   #6969
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Draw fair result but Lino call makes me think arse unlucky , liverpools best chances got matched by Cech. Sanchez surely gets his shooting boots on soon , is there personal XG charts lol
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:18 PM   #6970
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Less scorepoints than Christian "disappears against Top 8" Eriksen. Obviously a worse footballer.
Nah Eriksen is better than Phillpe "goes missing in 90% of PL matches, but is still potentially world class" Coutinho.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:31 PM   #6971
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Mert is like Arteta a couple years ago
Quality top-level player but if his physical attributes (mostly pace) fall even slightly, he may well be a liability
Gabriel and Chambers proactive fix for that eventuality
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:53 PM   #6972
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Second look at the Sanchez chance which hit the post, Jesus Christ Giroud with a great touch, cazorla great pass , you expect Sanchez to net there
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:06 PM   #6973
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I'm getting ads to learn Spanish when I visit 2+2 on my phone. Worse ad money spend ever
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:17 PM   #6974
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I think the offside was splittling hairs, could have gone either way, can't really be upset with the call, looked like his head may have been offside + the camera angle probably made him look more onside than he was since it wasn't level
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:21 PM   #6975
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@HH Very inconclusive on whether or not the challenge was a foul and on where the foul/great challenge took place, but does show that the defender was covering.

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