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Old 08-21-2015, 09:20 PM   #5976
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Milner might have to mark ozil or Santo?
man marking is dead, zonal is the only way to go in midfield zones

its where apart from individual errors that lovren tend to mess up by stepping up to create an adhoc 2-on-1 that ozil/hazard types can beat pretty easily and thus create dangerous situations with attackers against scrambling defenders
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Old 08-21-2015, 09:29 PM   #5977
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so how will Benteke and Bentridge play together?
In a front 3 with Firmino and Sturridge either side of Benteke.
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Old 08-21-2015, 10:19 PM   #5978
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Chelsea's last 6 EPL defeats were at the hands of:

Pellegrini
Pulis
Pochettino
Pardew
Poyet
Pulis

Next Up: Pulis, Pardew
When asked about that statistic, Mourinho said: "If I was superstitious I'd say that when I start the season 2-2 I go on to win the treble. It was 2-2 Porto v Belenenses, 2-2 Inter v Bari and 2-2 v Swansea this season."


Also loooooool 'masters', pretty sure this is going to be the season of masters and models
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Old 08-22-2015, 12:01 AM   #5979
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this thread has more of a "banter" thing, i.e., fat blokes on chairs typing with 2 fingers but man, elrazor is on a roll of pouncey dunning-kruger bigging-self-up

brah, stahp

no one is naming the 1st born xG or whoscored, what flaws these "bright shapes" have is obvious to anyone who's had a cursory look at the methodology (only counts actual shots instead of dangerous situations like crosses or 1v1 dribbles, etc) and it is yet basically inarguable that such "bright shapes" is superior to sorting by raw data like # of shots or pure eyetest

in other news, Im doing fairly pish in F-EPL but Tall Paul is even more pish so I'm ahead by 11.
I think raw eyetest gets a bad press from lots in here. watching a game is better than simply looking at an xG chart in terms of determining which team "deserved" to win a game. an observer, provided they are semi-educated (master degree +) and unbiased, can actually do an ok job of internalising the ev of those dangerous crosses and 1v1 dribbles that xG doesn't pick up on.
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Old 08-22-2015, 01:49 AM   #5980
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yeah but we're basically talking FBIP's eyetest instead of mega-elite constant analytical scientific-method-incorporated eyetests like mine and since having understood what is variance from 1st year uni quantitative methods and then go on to enrol if not actually study in game theory type subjects and then practiced the theory playing a ton of various poker forms, i would never just dismiss a statistical model for doing what it says on the tin, i.e., they never claimed to have solved constantly dynamic infinite-node luck-infested sporting events and its participants.

the only really, really, really laffably horrible model is Wages of Wins (where its smug tardness is the blazing sun to elrazor's iPhone on 4% battery) for NBA
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Old 08-22-2015, 02:01 AM   #5981
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You're the only one I can see getting tetchy here.
If someone makes personal insults suggesting I'm stupid just because I'm not sold on a graph, then I'm entitled to provide evidence to the contrary.

It really shouldn't be that hard to have a debate about football without name calling when someone doesn't share your opinion.

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I think raw eyetest gets a bad press from lots in here. watching a game is better than simply looking at an xG chart in terms of determining which team "deserved" to win a game.
Plus, watching a game is surprisingly more enjoyable.

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Old 08-22-2015, 02:09 AM   #5982
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el,

you shouldn't bring yourself down to debate with people without master's imo
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Old 08-22-2015, 03:26 AM   #5983
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If someone makes personal insults suggesting I'm stupid just because I'm not sold on a graph, then I'm entitled to provide evidence to the contrary.

It really shouldn't be that hard to have a debate about football without name calling when someone doesn't share your opinion.
Stating that you have a masters isn't evidence to the contrary, it's just an appeal to authority which has the opposite effect of the one you've intended.
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Old 08-22-2015, 03:58 AM   #5984
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el,

you shouldn't bring yourself down to debate with people without master's imo
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Old 08-22-2015, 04:19 AM   #5985
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/h...ckiest-player/
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Old 08-22-2015, 04:54 AM   #5986
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"People that dry-hump stats to make a point probably prefer reading sheet music to hearing the song."
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Old 08-22-2015, 05:06 AM   #5987
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fanny talking gibberish to sound smart while at the same time smelling his own farts.

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Disagree with faneiro the fat bloke in pub levels of intelligence wrt (mis)understanding xG itt blows my mind.

This used to be a poker forum ffs.

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Old 08-22-2015, 05:36 AM   #5988
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Bastian starting today apparently with Carrick dropped
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Old 08-22-2015, 05:39 AM   #5989
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:15 AM   #5990
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Bastian starting today apparently with Carrick dropped
LvG hinted at this earlier in the week. Glad to see Bastian fit
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:18 AM   #5991
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Hector Bellerin has an interesting cockney Spanish accent
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:18 AM   #5992
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Bastian starting today apparently with Carrick dropped
Reasonable given Tuesday. I expect to see him come off at ~65 for Carrick. It looks clear to me the goal is to use the two of them to cover the one position with equal status.

Each will get runs when the other is injured/out of form or the rest of the midfield is messed up for whatever reason. A great idea IMO
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:23 AM   #5993
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Is schweini more AM than CM?
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:27 AM   #5994
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HH I think you misunderstood, my comment was about the Elrazors of this thread, replying to the below.

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like if an adult was illiterate we would be horrified but innumeracy is just super standard among 96%ish of the population
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:29 AM   #5995
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Second game of the season for me today, we really shouldn't lose at home to Blackpool but we've won every game I haven't been to and got smashed in every one I have so idk
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:48 AM   #5996
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Romero, Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Januzai, Memphis & Rooney.

Krul, Mbemba, Taylor, Coloccini, Haidara, Anita, Colback, Perez, Wijnaldum, Obertan, Mitrovic.

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Old 08-22-2015, 07:17 AM   #5997
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Mitrovic gonna own United's soul

Aleksandar Mitrovic @ 4.50
Anytime Goalscorer

and a tenner on TOON!

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Old 08-22-2015, 07:19 AM   #5998
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TOON TOON TOON

obertan hat trick.
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Old 08-22-2015, 07:21 AM   #5999
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How are Newcastle 10/1?
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Old 08-22-2015, 07:25 AM   #6000
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It's Newcastle
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