think i know the one you mean - again have to see it again - but he was about three yards away from him??

hoopie1 i only come on here occasionaly and you seem like a nice chap so not going to argue with you. up the 'ammers (but seriously let the Everton thing go )

He was very close but his arm was miles from his body. The penalty you got was outside the box as well.

Yeah, just seen the Mirallas bookings, and the Besic incident.

No sympathy whatsoever for Mirallas, blatant dive and there's no reason that the foul on Besic should have been a yellow card.

I Agree with Shearers assessment.

We have conceded the most goals at home this season (Yes more than Aston Villa)

Based on MOTD highlights refs seems to have nailed all the decisions apart from the penalty not actually being one but then it's a few centimeters close so who cares

The side on the receiving end of the penalty?

Like you say, there's a gnat's cock in it.

Steven Taylor has had a charmed career.

sending off?? (not seen it on tv)

Two standard issue yellow cards. Even if you don't like the first one you have to be asking for it to go launching into the second one like that.

I think SG means the Besic penalty. West Ham had a covering defender in the box, so no red card for me.

meant for the pen

i fully agree with the mirallas booking for diving, but its something ive been watching since deulfeu got booked for the same and there hasn't been one in any Everton game since or any tv game that ive watched.

Surely that's a problem with referees in other games then, not this one.

yes, EVERYTHING IS AGAINST EVERTON

You don't celebrate when Southampton win a pen? Wtf?

joe"corinthian"joe

How the **** can nobody beat Leicester? Even Arsenal beat Leicester twice.

NLD always delivers.

Leicester pretty much the sporting equivalent to the honey badger.

this is wat happens u try to post original content

Why is get innocuous posted itt when all my friends and something great are not. There is not even any particular reason for it to be posted.

I don't think you can start picking arbitrary events in games and say they invalidate xG. Sendings off change games; soft penalties change games; key injuries during play change games; low xG goals change games.

So imo you can't just say "we can only count xG to here, then something something it doesn't count". The whole point of taking a statistical approach is to rule narratives out, and you just have to live with the deviation that exists in your numbers.

LÖL Dicksauce

Why yes, yes you can. It's why hockey uses full strength close game state fenwick and corsi stats as the best indication for who the top teams are. It's why at the beginning of the season I was super skeptical of Swansea's numbers as they had played multiple games with a man up (5 games in they were like top5 in xgd).

It's why penalties and own goals are denoted in parenthesis on caleys and other xG guys maps. Red cards are pretty close to random (unless Mike dean is involved) so using half a game with a team a man down is a very bad way to compare relative strength.

The argument you should be making is that yes the red card grossly skewed things in spurs favor but the game state of -1 for them would have led to increased numbers anyway.

American soccer analysis even does exactly what I'm saying in their work in mls using even game state 11v11 stats for their match projections .

Did you watch the first half of the last game?

Exactly. Those models correct for significant events using statistical methods, not something something narratives.

Obviously I'm happy when Southampton win a penalty, maybe I'll say 'come on!' or something like that, but Besic celebrated like he scored a 40 yard screamer and I can't help but be delighted when nothing comes of it.