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i cant understand why you're so confident that a momentum study in the context of one sport is utterly worthless when discussing momentum in another

is momentum an exclusively foot-based phenomenon

Because there are studies in the same sport that hot-hand was disproved, that suggest momentum does exist.

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/ar...udy-investigat

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Originally Posted by royalblue

But there seems to be no evidence suggesting that psychological momentum does exist (or makes much of a difference). When there's one side saying thing x (in this case momentum) doesn't have any effect and and one group saying that it does, the burden of proof is on the latter.

I agree. However as we have previously found ITT, momentum is not easy to measure and best-case has a small (but significant) effect on performance. There are far easier "wins" for a sports scientist to investigate and get published, hence why the subject has perhaps received little empirical attention.

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02-22-2016 , 03:44 PM

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Consty

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I'm guessing none of you have piled into the 1.26 on Utd tonight then?

02-22-2016 , 03:49 PM

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BAIDS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elrazor

Because there are studies in the same sport that hot-hand was disproved, that suggest momentum does exist.

now we're talking

02-22-2016 , 03:53 PM

#32029

Tom Bayes

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Is Memphis Depay trying to kick the ball completeley out of that little stadium?

02-22-2016 , 03:54 PM

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O.A.F.K.1.1

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Crowd noise is the second most occurring phenomenon during momentum.

02-22-2016 , 03:58 PM

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Lars1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BAIDS

now we're talking

well, since momentum can be used to explain all possible results, then surely it must be a real thing.

02-22-2016 , 03:58 PM

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Sugar Nut

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I got "On Fire" in the 90s so often playing NBA Jam. The announcer even screamed it at the top of hist lungs. Every time he did that, I was immediately able to score "From Downtonwn." Momentum does exist.

02-22-2016 , 04:00 PM

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KrazyKris

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Can anyone suggest any rivers for tonight? My canoe has sprung a leak and I need to take it elsewhere.

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02-22-2016 , 04:02 PM

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Ambush

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There is a line of commentary in PES 4*: "They have the momentum now"

QED

*or 5 I'm not sure, could even be 6. One of the good ones.

02-22-2016 , 04:04 PM

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kevin21

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The shape of Lingard's head annoys me

02-22-2016 , 04:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elrazor

Because there are studies in the same sport that hot-hand was disproved, that suggest momentum does exist.

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/ar...udy-investigat

I can't seem to access the article without paying so I'm just going off the abstract.

Quote:

The perceptions of momentum in basketball games by a basketball-experienced, momentum-educated, trained observer were investigated. The observer attended 11 college and 3 high school basketball games thereby recording 50 instances of perceived momentum. The trained observer indicated on a momentum chart the particular game events that began, sustained, and ended each momentum period. The results indicated that the beginning of momentum was most often characterized as a combination of good performance by one team and poor performance by the opposing team. The five most frequently occurring actions at the beginning of perceived momentum in rank order were a 3-point shot, defensive stop, steal, fastbreak, or a turnover. During momentum, the five most frequently (in rank order) occurring actions were turnovers, crowd noise, defensive stops, steals, and "string" of unanswered points. The five actions most frequently observed (in rank order) at the end of momentum were turnovers by momentum team, missed shots by momentum team, time outs, fouls, and end of the playing period. The number of points scored by each team during a time of perceived momentum was analyzed. The momentum team scored significantly more points than the opposing team, but scored only five more points than the opposing team.

I've read this sentence about 5 times and can't seem to make sense of it. Am I being thick?

02-22-2016 , 04:07 PM

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Lars1

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if scoring points gives you momentum then it seems like the team that scored the most had the most momentum.

02-22-2016 , 04:09 PM

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kevin21

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When you're hot you're hot and when you're cold you're not hot

02-22-2016 , 04:10 PM

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S.K

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Thread has lost its momentum

02-22-2016 , 04:10 PM

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joejoe1337

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Oh for those watching, I went to school with this Knight-Percival guy. Nice fella iirc.

02-22-2016 , 04:13 PM

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Tom Bayes

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Depay finally puts one on target and Martial gets in the way

02-22-2016 , 04:14 PM

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valenzuela

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I'm in the momentum exists camp. It's a big thing in Chilean football, you see it less of top flight English football because the players are mentally stronger but if they are not it can be a pretty big deal.

02-22-2016 , 04:20 PM

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For what it's worth, as one of the original antagonisers in this debate, I have never (nor do I think anyone else has either) advocated that momentum does not exist. I just think it's an absurd thing to use as an explanation and people are just randomly connecting dots.

02-22-2016 , 04:22 PM

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kevin21

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lol shrewsbury

02-22-2016 , 04:22 PM

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joejoe1337

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oh shi, who had smalling brace at 7/1?

02-22-2016 , 04:23 PM

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kingweed

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We have found our levels, congratulation LvG.

02-22-2016 , 04:23 PM

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EnglishLad72

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MIKE

02-22-2016 , 04:24 PM

#32048

39suited

But it was suited

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Congrats on scoring a goal, without reflection that may have never happened lol.

02-22-2016 , 04:24 PM

#32049

KrazyKris

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Smalling!

02-22-2016 , 04:31 PM

#32050

Consty

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joejoe1337

oh shi, who had smalling brace at 7/1?

Couldn't find it on my bookmaker of choice so just went all in on hat trick at 9/1.

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