English Football 2015-16 - Leicester City won the league - Page 340 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

It might not make it more fun, it will make it better value. I find it pretty astounding that you can talk about value and ignore it because it is a long way down the list of issues for so many people - all I know is that price (more than value) is an issue for many.

The ship sailed long ago for my solution, but then my motivations are different from many people. In no particular order, I would:
1) Reintroduce terraces.
2) Return football so that Saturday 3 o'clock kick offs are the vast majority - maybe 1/2 games per weekend can be moved to Sunday.
3) Change the ridiculous structure so that those that qualify for the Big Cup are winners and everyone else is a loser.
4) Distribute money more evenly throughout the pyramid.
5) Either abolish the Europa League or make it relevant.
6) Changing ticket pricing to prevent games being full of middle-aged blokes, who are pretty much the only people that can afford it.

There's probably a ton of other stuff as well, but since US sport fans aren't complaining I won't go any further.

Up for 1), 2) would run the risk of killing this BTVDITW bonanza, I don't really agree with 3 (CL is the GOAT tourney), but if you "fixed" it, 5) would sort itself out.

6) I think the PL could introduce some kind of rule that said that teams had to make x% (say, 10%) of their stadium available for home fans at a reasonable price. Would make quite a big gesture and if all the clubs were signing up to it, it wouldn't be too much of an opportunity loss for clubs. However, the clubs control the league and are too greedy to do so.

09-03-2015 , 06:33 AM

#8477

DemonOfTheFall

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,789

The working-class built the sport, and now are being priced out. That's where the complaints are coming from. Lolyanks should go back to winning the 'World Series' in baseball 100+ years in a row.

09-03-2015 , 06:35 AM

#8478

Jake7777

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 7,466

Rupert Murdoch built the sport iyam

09-03-2015 , 06:37 AM

#8479

Hoopie1

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26,076

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake7777

I'm with frantic, people like to think that their individual and community identity are intertwined with the club they support so they forget that it's a luxury entertainment event that is in high demand and they don't have some inalienable right to see it at artificially low costs every week. TV experience better anyway for the most part.

Not opposed to some reforms though.

This being luxury entertainment is not how it has always been. Look at the origins of football clubs - this was meant to be the working man's sport.

Quote:

Originally Posted by joejoe1337

2) I personally don't care about killing the cash bonanza.
3) The European Cup was always the premium tournament - who would have thought that when the best teams in Europe play each other, it might be exciting? However it doesn't need to be done the way it is now and it is absurd that qualifying for the group stage is basically the be all and end all. I agree that if you make some changes here then the Europe League needs a change or abolition as well.

09-03-2015 , 06:40 AM

#8480

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 8,132

One of the most ridiculous rules is that clubs knocked out of the group stages of the Champions League are allowed into the Europa League. Has anyone worked out yet why UEFA introduced this rule?

09-03-2015 , 07:07 AM

#8481

BAIDS

2013 FA Cup winner

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 32,645

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

because they can't compete financially with city / chelsea / utd - not sure reducing ticket prices is going to solve this

they can compete, they just choose not to. their bent russian is worth about twice as much as chelsea's bent russian and they've got 200m in the bank due to all the penny pinching.

--

i think hoopie might get his way on ticket prices, as match day revenue becomes a smaller and smaller (particularly from the section of the ground that isnt paying for caviar at half time) piece of the pie the PR boost of cutting prices becomes less and less costly - squeezing your home support for an extra £2.5m per year is pretty important when your total income is £20m, but not so when it's £200m due to btvditw

09-03-2015 , 07:39 AM

#8482

Cinarocket

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14,775

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAIDS

squeezing your home support for an extra £2.5m per year is pretty important when your total income is £20m, but not so when it's £200m due to btvditw

yup. bayern seem to do just fine charging their fans one hundo quid for a season ticket when in theory they're delivering an even better product

09-03-2015 , 07:47 AM

#8483

BAIDS

2013 FA Cup winner

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 32,645

buyern are a good example of markt forces working to lower ticket prices - they get a greater proportion of revenue from commercial deals than just about anyone (>50%). good PR is worth its weight in gold.

so they do stuff like charging a small section of their fans a pittance, a load of naive germans think its because the club is run by very kind men who just want working class fans to experience the beautiful game, and it means t mobile are prepared to throw even more cash at them in order to be associated with such a fine upstanding pillar of the community.

09-03-2015 , 08:15 AM

#8484

Liverpool

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,079

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopie1

This being luxury entertainment is not how it has always been. Look at the origins of football clubs - this was meant to be the working man's sport.

That's probably true of all sports in NA too. I'm sure they all started out as a working man's sport. The popularity of the sport and the amount of money involved only means that prices are going to continue to rise unfortunately.

It seems to me that the same thing that happened to ticket prices in NA is happening to ticket prices in England. At some point, only upper middle class will be able to afford the games and the working man will only be able to afford 1 or 2 matches per year.

09-03-2015 , 08:16 AM

#8485

Hoopie1

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26,076

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liverpool

We are there already.

09-03-2015 , 08:18 AM

#8486

Liverpool

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,079

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopie1

We are there already.

Not to the extent it is in NA. I know you don't care about NA sports but it's a good indication as to how things are going to continue to go against the average fan.

09-03-2015 , 08:24 AM

#8487

BAIDS

2013 FA Cup winner

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 32,645

i think you're underestimating how grumpy people are here

in america, when you hear about another 10% price rise in your season ticket you get really pissed off. you think, i should complain about this, i should do something about this. but then you look out of the window and its another beautiful 80-85 yankdegrees day with clear skys and you think ah **** it life's not so bad.

over here, hoopie looks out the window and its pissing down with rain which just gets him even more furious

09-03-2015 , 08:24 AM

#8488

PNHH

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,375

Oct 4

1430 (CET): Everton-Pool
1700: Arsenal-Utd
2030: Atletico-RM
Later: NFL

Sexy. And nice progression from match 1->2->3

09-03-2015 , 08:28 AM

#8489

joejoe1337

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 16,211

Going to the NFL London match that day, which I guess means I'll miss Everton-Pool and most of Arsenal United. Bit lame

09-03-2015 , 08:30 AM

#8490

bazooka87

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,049

lol fahrenheit

09-03-2015 , 08:31 AM

#8491

bazooka87

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,049

Quote:

Originally Posted by PNHH

Oct 4

1430 (CET): Everton-Pool
1700: Arsenal-Utd
2030: Atletico-RM
Later: NFL

Sexy. And nice progression from match 1->2->3

Games are on very late Sunday night progressing to early Monday morning for NFL here, and that Monday is a public holiday. This has shaped up very, very nicely.

09-03-2015 , 08:36 AM

#8492

BAIDS

2013 FA Cup winner

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 32,645

more blatter corruption

Quote:

Euro 2016 qualifiers: Wales above England in Fifa rankings

09-03-2015 , 08:47 AM

#8493

Liverpool

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,079

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAIDS

I think what is happening with prices in England right now, happened with major sports in the 80's over here. My guess is that people were just as pissed off at the time, although being a kid I wouldn't of noticed, and now it's just the way it is.

09-03-2015 , 08:56 AM

#8494

joejoe1337

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 16,211

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAIDS

more blatter corruption

I'm not bitter because LOLrankings, but it feels like something is wrong with the rankings if we can win every competitive game for over a year and still get stuffed in the rankings.

09-03-2015 , 09:18 AM

#8495

LostOstrich

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15,933

pretty funny that it's England's poor performance at Championship finals that's knackered their rating, and Wales have avoided that by simply not qualifying for any final stages.

09-03-2015 , 09:20 AM

#8496

BAIDS

2013 FA Cup winner

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 32,645

Danny Welbeck: Arsenal striker 'out for months' with knee injury

09-03-2015 , 09:25 AM

#8497

MindFckr

Classic Arsenal GHW

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 25,597

He had a knee surgery...again.

Wilshere and Özil should be available vs Stoke...should be

09-03-2015 , 09:32 AM

#8498

ChopSueyyy

formerly IRunWorse

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 18,612

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAIDS

Danny Welbeck: Arsenal 'striker' out for months with knee injury

fyp

09-03-2015 , 10:34 AM

#8499

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 8,132

Lol Fifa international rankings.

Lol Arsenal.

How long is this international break?

09-03-2015 , 10:56 AM

#8500

PoseidonCubed

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 15,008

Quote:

Originally Posted by MindFckr

He had a knee surgery...again.

Wilshere and Özil should be available vs Stoke...should be

Jesus.

In his press conference before the Newcastle game, Arsene said that Wilshere is "just behind" Welbeck in fitness. Hopefully he's still alive.

Arsenal are a really puzzling club sometimes.

Page 340 of 1895

First

140 240 290 320 330 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 350 360 390 440 540 840 1340

Last

Closed Thread Subscribe

...

Page 340 of 1895

First

140 240 290 320 330 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 350 360 390 440 540 840 1340

Last