Richard Jefferson measured 6’ 7.25” at the nba combine without shoes.

There is literally no way the two brothers would not play together, and they would put the two Arizona starters and future NBA players on the same team against the high school kid and a total unknown. And you were not the tallest guy there. You lying, delusional, internet lunatic.

I remember RJ being about 6'5", at least that's what it felt like scoring on him.. Regardless, him and Luke couldn't hold me.

Sorry that you've only ever been a fan and never had these kind of cool experiences with so-called stars from TV

Thanks for the TLDR, as I'm not going to read a wall of text.

I'm not sure your career is that of a normal D1 guy.

I assume someone saw that you had height, athleticism and had big hands.

All things you can't teach.

Let's give him a go.

Unfortunately with all that natural abilities, you scored, what was it? 2 points.

I won 2 of 9 games and yes, I carried us against Luke and Richard, who otherwise handled us easily as they planned.. I'm sorry that you're having trouble with this..

I also played a dozen games of 1-on-1 against 2 different NBA Development League players (that was the G-league in the mid-2000's) and I was nearly even with them.. This is a good gauge of my raw talent level.

Nothing I've said is that remarkable.. Every D1 player has tons of stories like this... Highs and lows...I've told you about a few of the highs among tens of thousands of hours playing.... And the reason you don't see other D1 players doing this is because no one is asking them online like you guys asked me - they don't have a running debate with a few casuals that are interested in their career.

Hope that helps

You just said that you didn't read the post, so you have no idea - all you have is your hate... Literally.. That's sad.





It's a spectrum.. I barely played that's true, but I barely tried, and that's why the other hoopers didn't like me - they knew I hadn't dedicated my life to it and it was a side gig, yet I'd still given myself the same opportunity they had... I didn't feel the pressure they did because I could always go back to my scholarship, and I did.. I was always resented for this - I quit 2 different D1 teams that had NBA players - but it isn't like I didn't pay a price for not giving a sh*t, since I have to defend my 2 ppg career to casuals online that never played...

Again, you don't realize how naive you sound - it isn't a big deal to score on Richard Jefferson in a game of 2-on-2, and I scored on him dozens of times that day.. I only mention the posters, like I did with Luke, Zach, Martinez and Burns - how dumb would it sound if I started describing every layup and jumper that I hit... For example, I never dunked on Mike Robinson, but would you like me to detail every bucket that I ever scored on him???... Sorry - too bad - I can't possibly remember... I do remember how I felt when he was defending me and it was very similar to Richard Jefferson - he felt about 6'5" and not that strong.

I don't read your walls of texts. They're terrible and a waste of time. And that's coming from someone posting 30k times on a forum about a dead card game.

Speaking of sad. Imagine having talent and then not trying.

fwiw, I don't believe you didn't try. You just weren't good enough.

that's actually better than not trying btw.

Guys. Fallguy scored 2ppg in D1 but wasn’t really trying okay?

If he tried he would’ve made it to at least the Developmental League.

And can we stop bad mouthing 1-on-1 hoops? It’s the purest art form of basketball. His accolades from that carry significant weight.

Note: I say this as a knowledgable basketball person, not as a moderator.

The reason why two D1 programs let me on the team without trying out is because a cursory glance at me smashing on Martinez or completely dominating pickup games revealed that I was already better than several guys on scholarship - it was no-brainer to add free help to the team that is already superior to some of the guys you're paying for.

The reason I didn't take it further is because it was a rip-off, even for the scholarship players, which is why the NCAA changed it so they can get paid... You have no idea how much work it takes to be a D1 basketball player... There's an individual workout at 6 am every day... Then there's 90 minutes of conditioning until about 9 am... Then you go to class... After class, you have two 3-hour practices - this is just the preseason and there's a certain number of practices that each school is allowed to conduct before a certain date, and coaches make sure to get all the practices in - this means 2 and 3 per day, in addition to the conditioning, individual workouts, and CLASS.... Yes, that's potentially 3 practices in 1 day, and each is at least 2 hours and sometimes 3......

None of this is worth it... It isn't worth it for the NBA lottery picks that know they're going to the league and could skip all this sh*t, and it isn't worth it for everyone that isn't going to the league - they would be better off hitting the books and forgetting about hoops altogether, which is what I did.... I've looked up where my ex-teammates are at and many of them are in South America playing for like 30k a year plus expenses... Yikes... Again, you guys are just so ignorant, so I'm having to explain the way athletes think and the things that they deal with.

I'm happy that I've gotten everyone to be jealous and hating on me... I win and the nerds that never played lose... You guys were just fans and that's all you've ever been, and that's all you'll ever be... It must suck to have no real insight into something that you spend all your time watching... lmao... You'll never know what's it's like to smash over the guys worship on TV...

Anytime you hear the words "McDonald's All-American", your mind pauses in awe, while I recall the times that I ate Mcdonald's All-Americans for breakfast like a McMuffin.. It's a pretty big difference in our mindsets towards the game of basketball, and mine is obviously dimensions superior.

Btw, did you guys enjoy your fraud???... I hope so, because it's now OVER - Lebron is finished at 39 just like I predicted about 100 pages ago - EVERYONE falls off at 39 because I did and I've heard so many athletes say that 39 was the age that their body couldn't recover... Lebron is no different - he's done at 39, so longevity my ass.... He had about 6 months more longevity than MJ, but he's still done at 39 just like everyone else... And he wasn't a top 3 player until 2009 through 2021, so that's only 12 years at the top of the game... Carry on.... Find another fraud to follow, lol... lmao

You don't seem to understand the difference between 1-on-1 and 5-on-5. This kind of excuse might sorta make sense if you were good at 1-on-1, but were a solid role player in 5-on-5, but you barely even played. The biggest difference is that you spend way less time on the ball so ball skills are on average less important in 5-on-5 than in 1-on-1. Sure certain moves require a higher level of skill to pull off due to more help but that's applicable more to star players who are receiving the lion's share of defensive attention. For role players, 5-on-5 can be easier from a skill perspective, since they don't have to force it unless there's a clear advantage or a mismatch (typically created by star players). At the same time, other factors, such as decision making, anticipation and off-ball movement become far more important. This is similar on defense - on-ball 1-on-1 defense matters less, making better decisions matters more. That's not to mention that lots of teams run systems to generate easy buckets without requiring high-level individual skills at all.

And 6th grade is not that late because frankly that's right around when players start to figure out the team stuff (something you never did apparently), so you being bad at team stuff is not because you started playing in 6th grade. You had so many years to figure this out. It's interesting that for all your talk about brand of ball, ball movement and assist target nonsense, just as I suspected, your extremely low basketball IQ is precisely what kept you from playing even in college despite an NBA-ready body and decent enough on-ball skills. It's funny that you were a massive outlier in terms of how bad you were at playing team ball vs 1-on-1, yet you're trying to claim that you know something about how basketball works at the team level that nobody does:

I guess you didn't really have to work on your game and could just injure your teammate to get that respect, so it all worked out.

fallguy should be revered and respected.

He had it all and decided he wasn’t about that life.

Not everyone wants to be a multimillionaire basketball star. Sometimes the simple life is better.

The grass isn’t always greener.

I commend fallguy.

I tried in spurts, so I know how hard it was, but it was a side thing in my mind - I was never groomed to be a hooper or care like a lot of my peers.

And the real issue back then was my diet... I would play pretty amazing for 2 to 3 days and then need massive recharge, but I was eating crap and not refueling - I was eating like a student instead of an athlete that was performing at a D1 level... I also didn't live in the athletes' dorms, which had their own cafeteria, and I quit the team long before such a thing would be considered.. I was put on the team on a whim after they saw me play a couple pickup games, and I quit on a whim a couple months later, not that far after the North Carolina game.





That's always how I got respect - some guy mixes it up with me and needs the hospital.. He wasn't nearly the first guy.. I've been told that I have knives for elbows and knees - heavy Jamaican bones... Beats Virgin Islands any day ask anyone.

Even though I think some things could've gone differently (like growing up on a regular American food diet that's high in animal protein instead of Indian dal and rice, which is a relatively weak protein source and led to many physical issues), it was quite obvious that I was never going to be an NBA player... I don't remember overtly telling myself this but maybe it set in on some level after the North Carolina game... It was such a massive gym... It felt so grand and ceremonial, and yet we were about to get sweaty and compete.... An hour or more after the game, a teammate and I walked back onto the court just to see the court one more time and the banners... Once we got back onto the court, it was completely empty except Raja was standing alone with his parents in a corner, and they were huddled together with tissue papers - he had a really bad game in the biggest opportunity of his life against the biggest-name school in the country - on national tv - it was a blown opportunity... Most people don't realize that Raja was undrafted and had one of the most arduous journeys to the NBA - that North Carolina game didn't help... Or maybe it did

So fallguy, your D1 experience can largely be summarized as excelling in 1-on-1 against star players due to an NBA-ready body and strong on-ball skills, and proudly injuring teammates in practice for street cred but being completely lost in actual 5-on-5 games due to remarkably poor basketball IQ and never getting any playing time as a result.

And somehow this experience makes you an expert at understanding what types of skills lead to highly efficient outcomes at the team level? And despite you being so bad at team ball that your coach never played you despite all that athleticism and skill and 1-on-1 excellence, you keep inserting your own skills and attributes into the discussion as though they are specifically useful for team chemistry?

Matt R.


You grew on me.


Sorry I was a gigantic dick last couple of years.

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MJ was better at 39 and 40 years old than Lebron:

IMPACT

STATS

BURDEN

ADJUSTED FOR PACE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTOhl8sFZYk


TLDR: Lebron is a 100% grade A fraud - even the "longevity" was a fraud - he's completely washed and FINISHED at 39 years old just like everyone else, and he was only a top 3 player from 2008-2021, which is 13 years "at the top of the game" - there's nothing "goat" about that.

In 2007, the Spurs revealed that a 35% and 6 TO per game player (the worst caliber that anyone ever played) won the weakest East in history, which 1-star teams were routinely winning, such as Iverson, Kidd and Dwight

Currently as an old man, Lebron's horrific brand of ball and chemistry is being massively-exposed even more than normal, in addition to his weak leadership, defense, and the metrics shown above.

Lebron was only a top 3 player in the league from 2009 to 2018 because he manufactured 8 straight Finals in the East and then lottery in his first season out West in 2019 - so what a massive exposure of the fraud that he had going in the East by putting 3 franchise players from 3 different teams on 1 team.. Without this kind of deck-stacking in the West, he was instantly lottery in 2019 - he was really bad that year... Then he lost a 2-1 lead to Booker in 2021, while also getting the same 6 TO's and 35% against the 08' Celtics that he got against the 07' Spurs... He also won the 2nd option chip in 2020 where he was carried to the Finals by AD dominating Jokic... These are strong arguments that he wasn't top 3 in the league in 2007, 2008, and 2019-present... Again, longevity my ass.. Too many fans are blinded by dunks and dunkers.

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ASSISTS PER GAME AS A STARTER WITH AND WITHOUT MJ:

1993' BJ..................... 4.0
94-96' BJ.................... 3.9 (no MJ)

90-93' Pippen........... 6.2
94-95' Pippen........... 5.4 (no MJ)
96-98' Pippen........... 5.8
99-03' Pippen........... 5.1 (no MJ)

89-93' Horace........... 2.5
94-02' Horace........... 2.3 (no MJ)

90-95' Rodman......... 1.7 (no MJ)
96-98' Rodman......... 2.8
99-00' Rodman......... 1.3 (no MJ)

93-94' Longley.......... 1.2 (no MJ)
96-98' Longley.......... 2.4
99-00' Longley.......... 1.1 (no MJ)

80-87' Cartwright..... 1.6 (no MJ)
89-94' Cartwright..... 1.5

ASSISTS PER GAME AS A STARTER WITH AND WITHOUT LEBRON:

12-14' Kyrie............... 5.8 (no Lebron)
15-17' Kyrie............... 5.3
18-24' Kyrie............... 5.8 (no Lebron)

04-10' Bosh............... 2.2 (no Lebron)
11-14' Bosh............... 1.6
15-16' Bosh............... 2.3 (no Lebron)

11-14' Love................ 3.0 (no Lebron)
15-18' Love................ 2.1
19-21' Love................ 2.8 (no Lebron)

05-08' Mo................... 5.7 (no Lebron)
09-10' Mo................... 4.6
11-13' Mo................... 5.3 (no Lebron)

09-10' Chalmers........ 4.2 (no Lebron)
11-14' Chalmers........ 3.6

99-04' Snow................ 6.9 (no Lebron)
06-07' Snow................ 4.1

01-05' Hughes........... 3.8 (no Lebron)
06-08' Hughes........... 3.3

2018 Ingram.............. 3.9 (no Lebron)
2019 Ingram.............. 3.0
20-25' Ingram............ 5.2 (no Lebron

2019 Kuzma............... 2.5
22-25' Kuzma............. 3.8 (no Lebron)

2018 Ball..................... 7.2 (no Lebron)
2019 Ball..................... 5.4
20-22' Ball................... 6.1 (no Lebron)

00-09' Jamison........... 1.8 (no Lebron)
2010 Jamison............. 1.3
11-12' Jamison........... 1.9 (no Lebron)

04-10' Wade............... 6.6 (no Lebron)
11-14' Wade............... 4.7

19-22' D-Lo................. 6.7 (no Lebron)
23-25' D-Lo................. 6.2

09-21' Westbrook....... 8.5 (no Lebron)
2022 Westbrook..........7.1

15-18'' KCP.................. 2.0 (no Lebron)
19-21' KCP................... 1.6
22-25' KCP................... 2.2 (no Lebron)

Lebron lowered all his cast-members' assists, with almost no exceptions, while MJ increased all his teammates' assists, with rare exception... Since teammates saw higher assists alongside MJ, we know that MJ's assists weren't offsetting a teammate reduction like Lebron's, so high-assist teams and strategy were possible with MJ's skillset.

Ultimately, high assist teams are possible with highly-assisted skillsets like Curry, Duncan, Kobe, Kareem, Russell - all the dynasties... Otoh, Lebron's abnormally-low assisted rates (ball-domination) imposed spot-up roles and lowered teammates' assists, which represents a weaker brand of ball that underachieves favored rosters, such as losing more than anyone ever has with the preseason favorite or Finals teams.





No, it's the hoops experience and my professional analytic ability - I was an analyst.

I can honestly say that I would coach these Lakers better than Reddick is... The first thing that I would do is make Lebron a "banger" like Charles Oakley - the ball would be 100% completely out of his hands and he would literally never have it - he is such a massive negative right now (stats above) that he isn't even good enough to be out there in any kind of winning capacity... The only way that he can contribute to a contender to is to transform himself into a "banger" that tries to get 10 rebounds and a few layups per game - a good game would be like 10/10.. His offense is that much of a negative right now and people don't realize that this caliber almost cost us the Olympics when he averaged 5 turnovers in 24 minutes per game - this translates to the 6-7 turnover per game in the NBA and this caliber underachieved our massive talent advantage and required Curry to save us... Based on these signs, I predicted that Lebron would be a turnover disaster this season... But as usual, someone replied with something that they learned on TV about how Lebron was "the most important player" in the Olympics, which implies that they couldn't have won without his turnover machine and negative basketball disaster.. it's literally the opposite - he almost cost us the gold and we would've been much better without him and playing Tatum instead.. This should be obvious to casual fans in hindsight, while I was aware at the time.