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Old 11-22-2009, 01:10 PM   #1001
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Re: Do you agree with Belichick's 4th down attempt?

Tom Jackson with one true statement in all his blather -- "This is a results-oriented business." Nothing could be clearer from listening to all these idiots saying it was clear they should have punted.
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:11 PM   #1002
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Re: Do you agree with Belichick's 4th down attempt?

Reminded me of a guy I played poker with who, when calling all-in with J3o preflop, proclaimed "every hand is 50/50, either you win or you don't".
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:21 PM   #1003
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Re: Do you agree with Belichick's 4th down attempt?

I updated the lists using this ESPN segment (wow Tom Jackson, but maybe I should remove Berman - he seems maybe open to BB's decision) and MW post on on Sports Reporters...

http://fourthandtwo.blogspot.com/200...nal-media.html


any others to add?
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:23 PM   #1004
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Cris Carter belongs on the Enlightened list.
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:30 PM   #1005
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Cris Carter belongs on the Enlightened list.
maybe - he just seemed to be more "the coach made an aggressive call and I'd go with it" as opposed to being enligtened on the logic.
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:11 PM   #1006
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maybe - he just seemed to be more "the coach made an aggressive call and I'd go with it" as opposed to being enligtened on the logic.
this exactly.
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:26 PM   #1007
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maybe - he just seemed to be more "the coach made an aggressive call and I'd go with it" as opposed to being enligtened on the logic.
with the one interview that i saw of him, merril hoge seemed the same way. Almost as if espn was begging someone to argue the other viewpoint.
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:28 PM   #1008
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Put Rich Gannon on the sh*t list. KC facing 4th and half a yard from the 50 and he says, and I quote, "After what happened to Bill Belichick last week, you have to punt it here."
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:10 PM   #1009
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Put Rich Gannon on the sh*t list. KC facing 4th and half a yard from the 50 and he says, and I quote, "After what happened to Bill Belichick last week, you have to punt it here."
If that's the exact phrasing, maybe his reasoning is so the coach doesn't have to face the same scorn. Bill Belichick doesn't have to worry about getting fired like many coaches do. He has the luxury of pushing +EV situations that go against conventional wisdom.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:46 PM   #1010
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It's a very good list though. Simmons has a real blame-the-dealer complex. I think what it shows is that (like almost every other sports writer) Simmons' default "go to" position is not logic but justification of his gut/instinct. He seems less results-oriented than most, but he is results oriented.
fwiw, I like simmons' approach to blackjack, because it's generally more fun. Except for blaming other players for poor decisions. That's the worst. I mainly just mean the dealers thing.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:47 PM   #1011
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Sports Reporters is on this morning. Question is... Did BB make the right call?

Bob Ryan: Yes of course he did. Who do you trust more? Brady getting 2 yards, or the Pats defense stopping Manning when he has 4 downs?

Lupica: No of course not, why let Manning go 28 yards when he can go 70?

Mitch Albom- No, it's one of those things that if it works it's the right call. It didn't work and every single number out there that you can crunch says it was the bad call.

Ryan: (looking at Albom like he's a moran) Uhh no...


Way to do some actual research on the topic Lupica and Albom. Must be nice to have your job.
lupica and albom have been two of the biggest clowns in sports reporting for a decade+, especially albom.
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:38 PM   #1012
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lupica and albom have been two of the biggest clowns in sports reporting for a decade+, especially albom.
I know. I rarely watch that show but I put it on today just to see what they would say.
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:49 PM   #1013
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Bob Ryan has a very high % of being right about things, and I liked his take this morning. I don't get the Albom hate, I think he's pretty solid. Lupica just whines a lot and seems wrong much of the time. Saunders as the only non-journalist seems to feel obligated to take a neutral stance so is pretty vanilla, but he's probably better than the ass-kissing Dick Schaap was.

All three guys are light years better than Bill Rhoden and Bill Conlin. And generally this show tries to avoid the obnoxiousness and Skip Baylessian devil's advocate crap that's pervaded so much of the sports media.
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:52 PM   #1014
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lupica and albom have been two of the biggest clowns in sports reporting for a decade+, especially albom.
really such a shame too, as "Tuesdays with Morrie" is a fantastic book. Too bad the author is ******ed.
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:58 PM   #1015
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It was really funny (being from 2+2) when they took the Billick interview from 2002, paraphrasing, 'Look you could give me all the numbers you want, when it comes down to it it's 50/50, you either get the 4th down conversion or you dont'.
i saw this too and when he said it i died laughing
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:59 PM   #1016
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that reminds me - how did the ATH guys turn out - I rarely watch it - I think I heard Jay Mariotti was the only one against it??
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:24 PM   #1017
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that reminds me - how did the ATH guys turn out - I rarely watch it - I think I heard Jay Mariotti was the only one against it??
I can't remember who the fourth was but Ryan and Woody were in favor of it, as was the last guy and then Mariotti went crazy saying everyone else on the panel was nuts. You should try to find a clip of it if you can as it's pretty entertaining.
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:32 PM   #1018
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I can't remember who the fourth was but Ryan and Woody were in favor of it, as was the last guy and then Mariotti went crazy saying everyone else on the panel was nuts. You should try to find a clip of it if you can as it's pretty entertaining.
Plaschke, Paige and Blackistone were all in favour. Mariotti was hilariously against.

You can subscribe to ATH on iTunes and listen to it, or it's also on ESPN Insider.
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:52 PM   #1019
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The Pats defense looks like it'll never be the same after that blow to their psyche. lol
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:14 PM   #1020
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lupica and albom have been two of the biggest clowns in sports reporting for a decade+, especially albom.
Dont get me wrong, Albom sucks a lot on that show, but he isnt in the same league as ****ing Lupica. God that guy sucks. How do I always forget to mention him when talking about the worst piece of **** sports commentators, like Buck and McCarver? Never again.
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Old 11-22-2009, 10:52 PM   #1021
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Re: Do you agree with Belichick's 4th down attempt?

How the **** is this thread still going?
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:20 PM   #1022
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How the **** is this thread still going?
Unlike most simpletons, people here can actually talk about a topic for more than 30 seconds.
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:23 PM   #1023
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How the **** is this thread still going?
look at the results.
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:25 PM   #1024
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fair enough, carry on

You know Henry cheated us out of a place at the WC right?
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:50 AM   #1025
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During the game tonight, Al Michaels said something like, "people arguing against it at this point remind me of the guy that says the sun rises in the west, they just like to argue"

thought that was cool
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