Ever since the NFC championship when they had Seattle dead and buried and blew the game Rodgers or the team hasn't ever been the same.

The Browns remind me of the Clippers from the 90's and 2000's. Had a top draft pick every year for 15 years and still sucked.

So tilting that no one ever follows up with "couldn't you get that same stop if you didn't get the 3 yards, so you might as well try?". I really want the response to that question, though I know it would just be some meathead coach blather.

It was between him and Alex Smith for the no 1 pick and San Fran picked Smiff lol

As for ARod, once McAdoo left it's all been downhill.

BOB is a total button clicker. 4th and inches from around Texans 45. Punt

Like four drives later 4th and 1 from the Texans 45ish again. Goes for it.

This is what always tilts me about the "trust your defense" bs. If you really trust your defense, you trust them to not give up any ground when you fail to convert. Meanwhile, you might actually keep the damn ball.

I wish 2+2 had been around 30 years ago for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO2ILLMWEKs

well you gotta establish the punt to remain unpredictable

What Mike made that call?

Ha never seen that video before. That's just buddy Ryan pissed off at his offense and "sending a message" right? I'd guess he was just trying to embarrass them being that it's Buddy.

The punt was so mind numbingly bad after mulling over it more today. Even if they somehow do get the stop then they get the ball and have to go what 50-60 yards at best? As opposed to where they already were. With no timeouts and a lot less time? It's just so insanely dumb. It's like they're truly just playing for the variance turnover

Idk man. Unless I'm drastically misunderstanding something, what Buck did is legit the worst thing I've ever seen a coach do. Ever.

If you look at ERA+ (for those that don't watch a lot of baseball, ERA+ is a weighted ERA that factors in ballpark and other pitchers in the league. It's an attempt to take out as many variables as possible when comparing pitchers against each other) the best seasons for pitchers are like in the upper 200s. Iirc Pedro has the highest one prior to this year at around 290 for one of his years. Kershaw normally sits around 190ish.

Brittons was 827. I didn't type that wrong. Eight hundred and twenty seven. I've never seen that. Ever. And in a must win game he left him on the bench because it wasn't a save situation.


I've tried to find a way to create a similar situation in different sports and struggle. The closest I've come to is if during the undefeated season Hoodie rolled out Cassell in the 4th quarter of a tied playoff game, they lose, and Hoodie's response was something like "Well, we wanted to make sure Tom had the chance to get a 4th quarter comeback, but since we were tied we didn't think we needed him yet".

It's not a comparison I really like, but it's the only thing so absurd that it can live up to what Buck did (thanks to how good Brady/Britton were, how awful Cassel/Ubaldo are, and how dumb the response was when called out on it).


Now, I do admit that maybe I'm misreading something in terms of how good Britton's season is on an all time level. Maybe there's something about ERA+ that I'm missing, not factoring in, or gets skewed for one reason or another.

But if I'm not, Buck should remain in the title forever because that's legit the worst thing a coach could possibly do. It still blows my mind.

shrug

All names have to leave the title eventually. Out with the old, in with the new.

It's hard to come up with an analogy, but I don't think the Brady/NFL analogy fits because Brady can play the whole game, whereas a closer is typically limited to 2 innings or so. So Buck's decision was awful, but not as dumb as that Brady decision would be.

I think the better analogy would be Lebron picking up his 4th foul in the third quarter and the coach immediately yanking him from the game. Then not putting him in until like 3 minutes left because he wanted to make sure Lebron played the final 3 minutes and didn't foul out.

That's not a perfect analogy either. But I don't think there is a perfect analogy out there.

Another may be saving your best penalty kicker for the 5th shot and then it not getting to the 5th shot. But I don't think that's nearly as bad as what Buck did.

I like the concept of that Eagles 2nd down punt there but they telegraphed it with the weird formation, I think you could do a rollout or a WR screen and do it rugby style and get huge yardage.

Yeah, but why not just do it on 3rd down then? I think they'd be caught off guard either way. I don't mind the idea either, but you better make sure your QB can consistently punt the football 30+ yards in the air.


Still it's probably better to just throw the ball deep twice because it won't matter if it is picked off.

More likely that Belichick's assistants are crap because Belichick himself isn't nearly as good as people think, but his QB is the GOAT.

I know, that's absurd and all, except there's a large body of data to support it:
Belichick has coached 119 games covering 7+ seasons in the NFL without Tom Brady as his starting QB. His record? 55 wins, 64 losses, with exactly 1 trip to the playoffs. Which is about the same crappy results you get from any of his assistants who have gotten head coaching gigs.

Randall Cunningham had 20 career punts & averaged 44.7 yards per punt, including a 91 yarder & an 80 yarder.

That was either his 1st or 2nd, & likely his worst.

But yeah, lol 2nd down & lol thinking that terrible offensive line could even block for that.

It's in no way fair to include all those Browns years. That you don't even mention how fluky it is to miss the playoffs going 11-5 (the Cassel year) also suggests some bias.

So not only did they punt on 2nd down in 1986, they also did it in 1988...

Those shoulder pads are like out of a Simpsons episode.

Why isn't it fair to include the Browns' years?

Why?

Because those were his "learning years" and the post-Shotty Browns clearly have some kind of Thinner-like franchise curse on them.

He got them from 3-13 to 11-5 during his tenure.