I've always said Belichick at least has shown the openness to do the right thing more often than other coaches but he's still pretty damn conservative. Their games usually aren't close enough to hinge on one or two decisions by him so people largely forget about his mistakes.

Green Bay and New England would just send the QB out to get "roughed"; they'd never give the ball back.

LOL, maybe. I mean with the state of offense in the NFL in general they'd probably have to tweak it...the idea of the 4th&15 was that it'd normally be a similar % chance to convert as a planned onside kick, but it honestly might have to be 20+ now.

I mean the really elite teams that could convert that down and distance regularly should be good enough to play straight up and dominate, without having to rely on the variance of running the onside play. And as conservative as most coaches are, I don't think you'd see a ton of angle-shooting with this. Actually the idea of Fat Mike doing this is silly, more likely Rodgers would have to remind him that he's not supposed to punt after scoring leaves him down 8 with :48 left in the game.

To me, the only two effective onside kicks are to either blast it off of an opposing player and have the ball bounce back to you or pop it high enough in the air that it basically creates a jump ball scenario where you have a whole load of players jumping to catch the ball like a hail Mary.

Some of the onside kick formations and attempts of the past are almost comical.

TBH, I'd rather see the kickoff go. Just start the ball on the 25 yard line. Instead of an onside kick, just let the team that'd normally kick off try to make a 4th and 20 from their 25 yard line. If they make it, they keep the ball. If not the defense gets it back.

The Pats had some lob type kick off against the Jags.

Yup. That's what NYG tried for their 2nd onside last night but just it went over everybody's head and OOB, womp womp.

Yeah basically what I was talking about above. I think they should actually be made to punt it though rather than just handing it to the other team at the 25. This way you a) have an actual return that's more dynamic than the regular kickoff, yet produces fewer injuries, and b) still give the scoring team a chance for a surprise "onside" (by faking the punt). Makes everybody happy IMO.

How can you force a team to punt but still allow surprise onsides by a fake punt?

Well I mean that's the idea of the play, it'll be treated like any normal 4th down. Of course the team can line up in punt formation and then pass the ball instead if they want.

Redskins have first and goal from the 5, 1:40 left in the half. GB has all 3 timeouts. Fat Mike uses 0 and Redskins score a TD with only 21 seconds left in the half.

Godgers still somehow drives to the Wash 40 in 20 seconds. Fat Mike opts for a 61 yd fg in the rain.

Lol at Shanahan playing for 3 there and not even taking a shot. That’s not gonna get it done.

I like Anthony Lynn, and it's hardly shocking, but FG from the Rams 10 down 15 with 11 minutes left in the 4th. Just roll the dice bro', you're the Chargers...

Yeah, that was bad

Mike Zimmer lost as a 17 point favorite to the Buffalo Bills 27-6.

What, specifically, did he do that was bad coaching?

everything

Fat Andy needs a good coaches thread. KC offense is so fun to watch.

Reid is one of the guys that is underrated because he still makes a ton of bad 4th down decisions. He's an unbelievable Monday-Saturday guy, he calls a hell of a game with terrific schemes/plays, and every team seems to want to play for him. Also you can't make bad 4th down kick decisions if it's never 4th down.

BB is the same. There's been a lot of "what happened to Belichick" type posts the last 5 years or so, but he was never great because he was a perfect 4th down bot. He was great because he was marginally better than everyone at those decisions and head and shoulders above everyone at the planning stuff. With time, age, & more information the league has kinda caught up to him, but he's still the best.

I still don’t get Lynn’s FG when down 15 in the 4th.

Also, Matt Patricia kicking a FG on 4th and inches when playing the Pats was pretty bad.

I was yelling at the tv when he trotted then out on 4th and inches from the 20 in a game where everyone expects the PATS to score 30 points


At least they stuck with the run this week. Was beautiful to watch.

Wilks welcome to the party

Not just 4th down decisions, but also his propensity for running late-game drives when down multiple scores with the same urgency as when it's tied in the middle of the 1st quarter. Agreed he's a great X's and O's guy in general.

God that Tampa punt was so bad in the end game with about 3 minutes left and a couple time outs down exactly 3. Had it been 6 I could half understand a punt but 3 was just terribad.

andy is an amazing play designer and game planner but hes absolutely atrocious at decision making during the actual game and there is a position that fits those characteristics perfectly, an offensive coordinator.

bb isnt as bad as andy at decision making and i saw a mini feature about all the planning and preparation that went into being able to play perfect defense on the last play in SB which resulted in the INT, and it really blows my mind how incredibly knowledgeable and intelligent he is when it comes to schemes and adjustments.

and that just makes the fact that these guys can't master the absolute easiest **** that a 12yr old whos addicted to madden can make instantly so much more mind blowing.

bb is still better than most but hes def no longer the best in game coach and given how much time these clowns spend watching game film there is just no ****ing explanation for how week after week we can see coaches make the exact same idiotic obv mistakes that vastly reduce win probability that they have to have seen other teams make a million times.

and the fact owners and GMs are happy to pay these guys millions of dollars when they cant figure out kicking a 33yd FG on 4th n 1 to go up 6 with 1:56 left in 4th quarter in a 49-46 game where their RB is averaging 6.9ypc is a bad idea, just defies belief.

Jim Furyk picked Phil Michelson.