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09-10-2019 , 01:24 AM

#20401

Jeremy517

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Second down was run at 2:11 so an incomplete wouldn't have gotten it to the two-minute warning.

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09-10-2019 , 01:26 AM

#20402

riverboatking

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I thought it was at 2:06?

I wasn't watching live was sweating on the ESPN app so guess could have been wrong.

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09-10-2019 , 02:22 AM

#20403

WaitingForMPJ

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****ing incredible

how you typed all those words but ****ed up the goddam clock

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09-10-2019 , 05:49 AM

#20404

jwd

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Yeah, that wasn't a good example.

Something that bothers me is when the team trailing calls a timeout with 2:01 to 2:05 on the clock. They are saving only 1 to 5 seconds but giving the offense a run/pass option.

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09-10-2019 , 06:21 AM

#20405

joejoe1337

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

texans play like 20 yards off the receivers at midfield, saints take the free fifteen yards for an easy fg to win

so dumb even booger mcfarland saw it was going to lose them the game at the snap

What is the conversion % of a 58 yard fg? Doesn't sound easy to me

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09-10-2019 , 08:11 AM

#20406

dkgojackets

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Indoors for a non-retread kicker? 80%

Every season field goals are getting easier, most look like they would be good from 65-70 now.

Not to mention the fact that it doesn't cost you anything to actually play defense. By having a defender there you can easily take up two seconds making a tackle instead of letting him go down right after the catch

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09-10-2019 , 10:14 AM

#20407

Perhaps Shimmy

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

Every season field goals are getting easier, most look like they would be good from 65-70 now.

note the dips at 40-49 and 50+

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09-10-2019 , 10:47 AM

#20408

dkgojackets

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based on some quick research the dip in 2014 can be entirely attributed to detroit starting the season with two kickers who went 1/9 from 40+ before signing matt prater lol

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09-10-2019 , 02:46 PM

#20409

Rawlz517

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Originally Posted by joejoe1337

What is the conversion % of a 58 yard fg? Doesn't sound easy to me

While it’s not a gimme, the conversion % is miles ahead of a Hail Mary or lateral-play from 5-10 yards back

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09-10-2019 , 02:59 PM

#20410

dth123451

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As bad as the Texans last play defense was, the Saints were far worse on the previous drive.

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09-10-2019 , 06:37 PM

#20411

wheatrich

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

4th and 20 down 7 in the 2nd quarter is not a 90% cowardly punt. (apparently bot doesn't have any difference past 10 yards b/c it's a simple bot, alright then)

edit--scrolling through it's pretty rough, needs some work. Definitely the bot needs to realize 4th and super long punts aren't gonna be cowardly outside of obvious situations. Some others had to due with more important to milk time than actually getting a first down like the buffalo one with 19 sec left.

Bot also likely isn't factoring in ties are better than losses but whatever.

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09-10-2019 , 09:56 PM

#20412

WaitingForMPJ

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That bot will set back meaningful punt reform by decades

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09-10-2019 , 10:59 PM

#20413

GMan42

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To bring up another aspect of the Saints finish--what's with teams just continuing to blast kickoffs out of the back of the EZ regardless of the situation? Up 1 with the opposing team having :37 left and 1 TO is a golden opportunity to at least try to pop up the kick and make the other team field it around the 5 or so. The time eaten up by the return usually costs them an entire play on their drive, which is enormous even if they return it a bit past the 25 (I'd say the 35 might be the breakeven point), and could easily have been the difference between NO having the FG opportunity and Brees being forced to just heave it up from midfield on the last play.

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09-10-2019 , 11:51 PM

#20414

FlyWf

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Teams used to squib those all the time but just stopped doing them for no obvious reason.

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09-11-2019 , 12:25 AM

#20415

stinkypete

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I don't have the stats but if the kicking team is a yuge favorite when giving up the touchback, giving up a chance to return for possibly big yardage increases variance bigly so even if they only return to the 20 on average it might reduce kicking team's win probability

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09-11-2019 , 12:35 AM

#20416

grando1.0

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Yeah it seems like a situation where increasing variance, especially since it's so unorthodox, might not be a great choice for both win probability and job security

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09-11-2019 , 03:00 AM

#20417

VincentVega

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I wanna see them just blast it at somebody and hope they can't catch it or are dumb enough to not move out of the way

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09-11-2019 , 03:36 PM

#20418

GMan42

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Originally Posted by stinkypete

Yeah it's an interesting debate. The thing is against Brees in that stadium, I'm not even thinking I'm an enormous favorite with that amount of time left. I guess it's the kind of thing I wouldn't bother doing with <20s left or with over a minute, but I feel like this is a sweet spot where taking an extra 6-7 seconds off the clock is huge.

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09-11-2019 , 04:30 PM

#20419

harkin

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That Surrender Punt Twitter is why the interwebs are so awesome.

I wonder which punt since 2009 was worse than the 58.73 for the Cards’ punt w 1:10 left in OT from the DET 46 w the scored tied.

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09-11-2019 , 05:10 PM

#20420

Willd

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The twitter is based on this video by Jon Bois:

Pretty much all his chart party (and other) videos are great too, although they do tend to be quite long.

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09-11-2019 , 05:38 PM

#20421

VincentVega

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Seriously though. Instead of playing 10-15 yards off the LOS play 5 yards off and blitz. How often are these plays turned into 60 yard touchdowns, fairly rarely. Especially with brees he's dome this act time and time again with a couple timeouts and needing to get into field goal range

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09-11-2019 , 05:48 PM

#20422

suzzer99

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What in the hell were the Saints doing on the previous drive? A couple tackles in bounds makes a win is almost assured. Instead they let Hopkins get OOB and get Stills behind man coverage. They played like they were protecting against a FG, especially on the TD.

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09-11-2019 , 11:56 PM

#20423

Dominic

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Originally Posted by harkin

That Surrender Punt Twitter is why the interwebs are so awesome.

I wonder which punt since 2009 was worse than the 58.73 for the Cards’ punt w 1:10 left in OT from the DET 46 w the scored tied.

Man, I thought I was the only one yelling at the TV about this.

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09-12-2019 , 12:18 AM

#20424

WaitingForMPJ

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Originally Posted by harkin

That Surrender Punt Twitter is why the interwebs are so awesome.

I wonder which punt since 2009 was worse than the 58.73 for the Cards’ punt w 1:10 left in OT from the DET 46 w the scored tied.

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