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another woeful batting performance.

lol best bowling figures by an englishman in odi cricket 1) paul collingwood 6-31 2) Chris Woakes 6-45 3) Mark Ealham 5-15

Was impressed by the pace Finn was generating today

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01-30-2011 , 04:39 PM

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Yeah, England really aren't thinking straight with their ODI approach at the moment.

Batting lineup is wrong, Bell should open, Prior should be at six.probably, Bell shouldn't play in the odi team if he is batting any lower than 4 imo, because he doesn't have the strength to hit boundaries when the field is back and isn't brilliant at rotating the strike(hes a very technically correct batsment so as an opposing captain it's very easy to set fields to limit his runscoring). Batting early on should allow him best use of the powerplays. I can see why england want prior to be given every opportunity to be a success in opening. The first 10-15 overs in the subcontinent are going to be the easiest to score in and england lack quality death batting so getting off to a fast start is going to be paramount to england have any chance at the world cup. Saying this Prior plays too many ******ed shots when he opens and is limited in his strokeplay strongly favouring the offside so wherever he bats is going to be a bit of a problem because he isn't a good one day batsmen. Personally i think in isolation he would be a better one day player as an opener rather than a 6 or 7 if he stopped playing ******ed laps, sweeps and trying to be clever rather than just playing in the aggesive manner he plays in tests. But yeah i agree bell should open
Strauss is setting turgid defensive fields when we get them 40-4 or something allowing them to rebuild without being under pressure to even accumulate singles yes he really sucks as an odi captain, i think maybe he is just a **** captain in general but it;s less obvious in tests because the game goes slower and the backgroudn work flower puts in is much more thorough. Then again if you have yardy and collingwood as 4th and 5th bowlers there isn't much you can do, but yeah he needs to gamble more and go for the kill rather than lettting the opposition settle
Wright and Yardy are just passengers, neither is good enough with either bat or ballagreed but you need replacements to take their places and english cricket whatever anyone says isn't blessed with an amazing depth of talent. The one thing i would say is they are both multifaceted players and probably offer more in the field and are willing to work harder than some of the alternatives
Colly is so out of nick, and once Broad and Bresnan are back I think he can be a handy sub rather than in the 1st XII disagree, england really need collingwood. Brilliant fielder(although slightly on the wane as an outfielder) bowls tidy and economical and has good experience in india. Also shorter boundaries and lower slower wickets should suit his game. I think all 3 of those are in my team
Tremlett isn't in the squad, which is just ******edMeh I was fine whichever way they went. The guy bowled brilliantly in aus but he lacks variation, and is unproven in oneday cricket and offers little in the field or with the bat
Use of powerplays is all wrong, not creativity at allagreed, especially batting second where they know exactly what they require. Batting first is harder as there is less room for maneouvre as it is important to have wickets in hand for the end, so in general batting first i think leaving the powerplay until later is correct. Batting second they need to gamble more earlier when they are behind the game(nothing pisses me off more than one of our batsmen getting caught on the boundary when we're 5 or 6 down when we haven't used the powerplay.

It's as if we write a Plan A at the start of the game and then just follow it without regard to what actually happens on the field as the match evolves. I think they're relying a little too much on the analysts and not enough on the instincts they should have honed by now as top class cricketers

Here's how my England ODI XI would look right now.

Bell
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Prior
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Tremlett
Anderson

No Yardy, no Wright, cos they both suck. Not many teams would want to face that bowling line up, and there are first class century-makers all the way down to number nine.

batting is too lite imo, not enough variation in the bowling attack but any team is going to be lacking in something. Least your gambling that your bowling is going to win the game for you rather than some of the current england selections where they aren't doing anything apart from hedging their bets. You definitely couldn't select this team for the world cup on the subcontinent imo .

Also, what the hell is up with giving world cups to countries which haven't got the grounds to ability to host it properly. At the very least, the shambles that was the Commonwealth Games should have been a warning to ICC, but because it's virtually in bed with BCCI anyway they've just done the typical ostrich impression and hoped that somehow it will all work out, as if by magic. Now, Eden Gardens in Calcutta has already been stripped of the England-India game because "it won't be ready in time". How the hell does that happen when it's already been hosting international cricket for decades? The other day senior Sri Lankan players were expressing concerns about the state of the grounds in their country, and Pakistan, which was originally part of the hosting group of countries, is just a complete no-go area, for obvious reasons.

I mean its a shame the indian system is so corrupt and slow to make decisions but its a completely different scenario to the football, india is a massively populous country that simply loves cricket, has the best team in the world and has plenty of infrastructure in place already and should have the right to hold the world cup regularly

FIFA did the same giving the football world cup to bloody Qatar, a country where it's 50º in the summer! What the hell is wrong with the brains of the people who make these sorts of decisions? FFS, at this rate they'll be wanting to host it in Zimbabwe next time. Why not just give it to England, Australia, South Africa, all of which have everything necessary to put this on immediately, with no fuss whatsoever. If someone else wants to host it then build the bloody venues first, then apply afterwards.

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01-30-2011 , 05:31 PM

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when i say in my previous post that we';re not blessed with a great array of talent i was talking in terms of odi cricket.

I'm actually really excited by a load of the england lions players just about to start playing in the westindian domestic competition. Should be interesting to see how they get on, especially the batsmen with a place opening up in the test team with collingwood retiring and morgans shaky one day form. Just a shame my county gloucestershire aren;t producing anything but mediocrity. Sorry for the ramble

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01-31-2011 , 12:27 AM

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Its a sad state of affairs for this site when anything resembling a solid discussion and analysis of a team/match/competition has to be apologised for.

I agree with most of it, particularly Collingwood. His military medium is a pretty handy asset and will be tough to get away on the slower pitches.

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01-31-2011 , 04:45 AM

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The latest episode of Top Gear featured motoring ashes ;-)

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01-31-2011 , 03:49 PM

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Swanny's doing some quality trolling on twitter right now

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02-01-2011 , 11:14 PM

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Just seen the England team for today's 6th ODI.

Expecting another pasting

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02-02-2011 , 07:11 AM

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Lol Strauss

Anderson getting smacked around all day so of course you bring him on for the batting powerplay and leave Finn scratching his ass who has been your best bowler.

******ed beyond belief.

Edit: Oh look, Finn comes on and takes a wicket. Strauss is such a pussy when it comes to decision making. ABC all day long.

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02-02-2011 , 07:17 AM

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Lol Strauss

Anderson getting smacked around all day so of course you bring him on for the batting powerplay and leave Finn scratching his ass who has been your best bowler.

******ed beyond belief.

completely agree, Strauss is a terrible captain. yes lets bring finn back once the games over. wp.

Steve Smith comes out with a runner, Lol at all the injuries in this series.

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02-02-2011 , 07:24 AM

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also you have to lol at their world cup selection now given all the injuries and yet two players who are in the wc squad and are fit have only played one game each in the whole series(Wright and Tredwell)

Solid 1-91 for jimmy

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02-02-2011 , 07:24 AM

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ffs how are we gonna fail to defend 333

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02-02-2011 , 07:27 AM

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ffs how are we gonna fail to defend 333

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02-02-2011 , 07:28 AM

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clarke runout makes it interesting.

7 off 7 but two tailenders batting now. More epic runout potential under the pressure

Game on.

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02-02-2011 , 11:50 AM

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Andeson went for 91.

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02-02-2011 , 12:23 PM

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obligatory lol england. Highest odi score you have ever made afaik and couldnt defend it. Now your cool like us....

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02-02-2011 , 12:25 PM

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it may have been highest in australia or away but w/e lol england and ireland and south africa

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02-02-2011 , 09:24 PM

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obligatory lol england. Highest odi score you have ever made afaik and couldnt defend it. Now your cool like us....

[ ] highest ODI score we ever made
[ ] 2nd highest ODI score we ever made
[ ] 3rd highest ODI score we ever made
[x] that's just the ones I remember

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02-03-2011 , 03:08 AM

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[ ] highest ODI score we ever made
[ ] 2nd highest ODI score we ever made
[ ] 3rd highest ODI score we ever made
[x] that's just the ones I remember

Someone said that stat to me, I just assumed it was gospel.

Anyway, had a quick look and it was about the 5th or 6th highest, but I think the highest score you couldnt chase down, and your highest score vs us. Your highest being 391 vs Bangladesh.

Either way, Michael Clarke rested for the 7th ODI. Yay, I dont have to watch him do his usual play one great innings and then bat **** the next 6 digs thing.

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02-04-2011 , 06:58 PM

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So, the CPS are charging Butt, Aamir and Asif; they're due to appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on March 17th. The agent is also charged.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12365517

With the ICC due to announce findings from their own tribunal tomorrow, it's not gonna be a great weekend for them.

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02-05-2011 , 05:04 AM

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I wonder if you can bet on the results of the tribunal.

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02-05-2011 , 08:39 AM

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I guess if they get banned for life (unlikely for Amir maybe, not sure) they only need to avoid the UK no matter what the verdict is. Didn't Gibbs and Boye just not play in India when they thought they may be arrested?

Anyway, it's pretty damning that the UK police think there is a case given how hard it is to prove that someone has been defrauded.

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02-05-2011 , 11:21 AM

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Former captain Butt banned for 10 years, five of which are suspended, Asif for seven and Amir for five, an ICC anti-corruption tribunal rules

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02-05-2011 , 11:38 AM

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I've a feeling that life bans are hard to impose these days but that's effectively life for two of them. Good riddance too. There's something about Salman Butt's arrogant smirk that makes me want to punch him in the face.

I can't help feeling sorry for Amir though, if anything I'd rather him get 3 years and the others more (not that it would make any difference but for the message it send out).

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02-05-2011 , 01:37 PM

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Yea Amir's the only one I feel bad for. It has to be tough for a 19 year old who's in his first year as an international cricketer to try to defy his captain when presumably the whole team and management is involved in the nexus..

It's a sad state of affairs in pakistan cricket and I'm afraid we haven't seen the worst.

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02-05-2011 , 04:13 PM

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ICC fail again imo. What's the point of suspending part of the sentence when they are banned from cricket anyway so can't re-offend to incur the suspended part of the sentence?

Should have been life bans anyway, although five years is effectively the end of the road for a 28-year-old fast bowler. Asif would be 33 by the time his 5 years is up. Butt will only be 31 after his time is served and as a batsman it won't be quite so hard in theory, but five years of no cricket whatsoever will be difficult to regain his touch. I would expect that the ban means that they are not able to have any contact with any form of organised cricket in any country in ICC, including no practice with other pros, no nets or anything. The only one who has a realistic chance of playing again is Amir, but even he will probably struggle.

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I wonder if you can bet on the results of the tribunal.

legit lol'd