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01-05-2011 , 04:29 AM
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Aleem Dar > technology
So far I prefer the way technology is used in SA v India. Umpires referring well. Less controversial decisions compared to Ashes (eg. Cook nick).
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01-05-2011 , 06:33 AM
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Collingwood gone. I'll be pretty surprised if he actually lines up in the next Test match.
I'd be pretty surprised if he shows up in a Test match ever again, we're not exactly short of batsmen waiting to come in (Morgan could easily slot in, and I don't think it'd be too absurd to move Bell and Prior to 5/6 and play Broad at 7 when he returns). Guy turns 35 this year, will probably concentrate on World Cup/other ODI and 20-20 stuff
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01-05-2011 , 07:38 AM
Interesting "fact", I was told Collingwood's nickname in the England camp was "Brown Nose" due to his persistent arse licking of the higher-ups.

As you were.
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01-05-2011 , 11:06 AM
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The phrase "biggest little bitch in the game" just fits perfectly for him. Not sure he's bad for the game though, though he's tiresome for anyone that watched him for more than 5 minutes.
lol..

indias crybaby sreesanth at it again
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01-05-2011 , 11:14 AM
Another century for Kallis. No big deal.
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01-05-2011 , 11:24 AM
Injured back, broken pitch it's no big deal. Talented bastard's gonna cost us the series
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01-05-2011 , 11:39 AM
Of all the people on the most centuries list, only Bradman has a better average than Kallis (top 10).
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01-05-2011 , 11:43 AM
Kallis has an insane record on paper, especially when you add in his bowling. He's just too selfish and one-paced to be near the top of the list of all time greats, but you have to hand it to the guy - he's one hell of a player.
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01-05-2011 , 11:48 AM
Kallis is one cool mother****er imo. He's just so laid back and unflustered by everything. I get the impression he only bowls medium pace because Jacques Kallis doesn't bowl fast for no one.
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01-05-2011 , 12:43 PM
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Kallis has an insane record on paper, especially when you add in his bowling. He's just too selfish and one-paced to be near the top of the list of all time greats, but you have to hand it to the guy - he's one hell of a player.
Erm, what? With all due respect, that's complete bollocks.

He'd make it into any right minded person's great list just on the strength of his batting alone; when you filter for a decent number of matches he's comfortably inside the top ten on the list of career averages - higher than such names as Hobbs, Tendulkar, Lara, Waugh, Dravid, Richards, Compton, Ponting, Hutton, Gavaskar, Miandad.......

Throw in well over 250 wickets, at low 30s, and 150+ catches, mainly from slips, and his only really serious contenders for the title of greatest all-rounder of all time are probably Garry Sobers and Imran Khan.

South Africa would be in pretty bad shape without his contributions this match, and the same could be said of dozens of matches over the last 15 years or so, where his batting has dug South Africa out of some deep holes. He's made his second hundred in this match, with busted ribs. He's still got the guts for a fight when it comes to it.

Tests are not Twenty20 games. There are too many top order players players who come in, play a quick cameo innings of 45, rarely go on to give the team any sort of platform to build a big score and are of less value to their team than the stats suggest; Shane Watson comes irresistibly to mind here. The aim of the game isn't to throw the bat at everything and be out for an entertaining run-a-ball 45. The aim is to build a big team score, working in partnership with the other guy at the crease. Lest anyone forget, it's a five-day game. That's 450 overs. How many games actually last that long now? Not many, because most contemporary batsmen can't pace an innings like a Kallis, a Dravid or, dare I say it, a Boycott.....

And before anyone mentions Sehwag, he is a complete anomaly. Nobody else can repeately do what he does; many have tried, and all have failed.
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01-05-2011 , 01:13 PM
I hope Cook gets a good chance of a knock in the second innings of this match. I'd like to see him break a few more records.
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01-05-2011 , 02:40 PM
Kallis is one of the most underrated players in the game.
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01-05-2011 , 04:46 PM
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Erm, what? With all due respect, that's complete bollocks.

He'd make it into any right minded person's great list just on the strength of his batting alone; when you filter for a decent number of matches he's comfortably inside the top ten on the list of career averages - higher than such names as Hobbs, Tendulkar, Lara, Waugh, Dravid, Richards, Compton, Ponting, Hutton, Gavaskar, Miandad.......

Throw in well over 250 wickets, at low 30s, and 150+ catches, mainly from slips, and his only really serious contenders for the title of greatest all-rounder of all time are probably Garry Sobers and Imran Khan.

South Africa would be in pretty bad shape without his contributions this match, and the same could be said of dozens of matches over the last 15 years or so, where his batting has dug South Africa out of some deep holes. He's made his second hundred in this match, with busted ribs. He's still got the guts for a fight when it comes to it.

Tests are not Twenty20 games. There are too many top order players players who come in, play a quick cameo innings of 45, rarely go on to give the team any sort of platform to build a big score and are of less value to their team than the stats suggest; Shane Watson comes irresistibly to mind here. The aim of the game isn't to throw the bat at everything and be out for an entertaining run-a-ball 45. The aim is to build a big team score, working in partnership with the other guy at the crease. Lest anyone forget, it's a five-day game. That's 450 overs. How many games actually last that long now? Not many, because most contemporary batsmen can't pace an innings like a Kallis, a Dravid or, dare I say it, a Boycott.....

And before anyone mentions Sehwag, he is a complete anomaly. Nobody else can repeately do what he does; many have tried, and all have failed.
No it's not bollocks. There is a difference between all-time great stats and all-time great players. I mean, he is a great player no doubt but would you seriously put him in an all-time test XI? No chance. For one thing, he wouldn't bowl much if at all in such a team so you'd really have to pick him on his batting.

I mean, I saw his Test debut series and used to be a bit of a fan. He even played for my first class team. But I've lost track of the number of times he has batted like he is incapable, or just not willing, to change his game for the match situation. I've seen Gilchrist caught on the boundary or stumped just before a declaration about a dozen times. Kallis hasn't done it once. One time in Oz, all he did was jab a single and let the other batter throw the bat - even when two of them were players under pressure for their places. Even the SA commentators (and let's face it, SA cricket has an ingrained streak of negativity) thought he was utterly out of order. And how many games has he won, clearly making the difference? Maybe the current test if SA pull it off, but not as may as guys like Lara.

So yes, great player, but you have to look beyond pure averages. He'd have been a better player if he was more flexible and averaged 5-8 runs less as a result.
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01-05-2011 , 06:50 PM
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I mean, he is a great player no doubt but would you seriously put him in an all-time test XI? No chance.
this is mainly down to an all-time test team not needing batsmen who can also bowl. if anything jintster's one liner has it on the money
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01-05-2011 , 06:57 PM
Collingwood announces retirement from Test Cricket.
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01-05-2011 , 06:59 PM
If anyone gets the opportunity to see them, the last three balls of South Africa's innings today were absolute gold.
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01-05-2011 , 07:02 PM
gg Collingwood.
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01-05-2011 , 07:06 PM
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Collingwood announces retirement from Test Cricket.
Shocking timing imo. Why the hell doesn't he wait for the end of the test?
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01-05-2011 , 07:07 PM
Longyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!
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01-05-2011 , 07:08 PM
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Longyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!
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01-05-2011 , 07:09 PM
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Shocking timing imo. Why the hell doesn't he wait for the end of the test?
Seriously? People generally do this so the can have a big on-field goodbye at the end of their final match.
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01-05-2011 , 07:10 PM
Good to see you on here without having to read through Amatay filth posts in between on RTR. Well, I actually like the filth posts, but you know what I mean.
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01-05-2011 , 07:13 PM
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Shocking timing imo. Why the hell doesn't he wait for the end of the test?
he thinks its all over
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01-05-2011 , 07:15 PM
Is Bumble serious with the Bopara talk? Morgan is far and away the obvious replacement imo. England don't need the part time bowler with the strength of their current attack. How many "all-rounders" have England played down the years who were mediocre with the ball and failed hard with the bat? How many overs does Collingwood really bowl in a Test on average anyway?
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