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Just watched a YouTube video of Viv Richards, at one point the commentator said “They need to go at six runs an over, that doesn’t leave the batsmen much time to settle in.” Things have changed somewhat since then.

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01-26-2022 , 07:40 PM

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It was a different game back then. Power plays weren't a thing, for a start.
ODIs were 55 overs and Viv hit 189* against England in 1984, which is still considered one of the greatest one day innings ever despite it only coming at a strike rate of 111 and having only 5 6s.
For context, it was only the second time in ODIs that anyone had hit 150+, the other being, of all people, David Gower.

Since 2000, we have seem 8 double centuries, 3 of those by Rohit Sharma, all with strike rates over 130.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...full-scorecard

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/co...ds/216972.html

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01-28-2022 , 09:25 AM

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I put Anwar's 194 against India in 1997 up there too.

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01-28-2022 , 05:53 PM

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It was a different game back then.
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iirc in the 1979 World Cup final, we opened with Boycott and Brearley.

Chasing 290 ish they took 35 overs to score 130!

I might check out that scorecard. Viv got a century and then Collis King scored a load of runs at the end. In my mind it was a ridiculous hitting display with boundaries and sixes galore but I’d bet it wasn’t particularly quick by today’s standards

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01-28-2022 , 05:55 PM

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Found it

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...full-scorecard

King was 84 off 64 so still good by today’s one dayers.

Have a look at those English strike rates!

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01-28-2022 , 11:13 PM

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The thing about Viv's innings is that it was a bowler friendly pitch; WI were 102-7 (or whatever) and 166-9; the last wicket stand was over 100 - Mikey Holding made 12.

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01-29-2022 , 06:30 AM

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Greatest Test XI that played in the 90s or later. Come at me with criticisms or improvements.

G Smith (c)
M Hayden
K Sangakkara
S Tendulkar
V Richards
A Gilchrist (+)
W Akram
M Marshall
S Warne
M Muralitharan
G McGrath

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01-29-2022 , 06:46 AM

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Marshall retired in 91? We sure we want to have him in this?

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01-29-2022 , 06:46 AM

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Same with Viv?

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01-29-2022 , 06:51 AM

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Particularly with only 6 batsmen, I would get Kumar to keep and bring in Lara.

But I would also pick Andy Flower over Gilly

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01-29-2022 , 07:03 AM

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I do think if you were picking the team to be a cohesive team you might switch it up a little to get a better balance because the tail is quite long.

Akram at 7 averages about 20. You’d bat Warne at 8 ahead of Marshall but he only averages 17 or 18 and then you’ve got two number 11s

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01-29-2022 , 07:04 AM

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They played in the 90s to qualify but we get them at their prime.

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01-29-2022 , 07:06 AM

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Sangakkara was a worse batsman with the gloves. Gilchrist is unrivalled.

Maybe 1 less bowler depending on conditions and get Lara or someone in that way.

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01-29-2022 , 07:23 AM

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Sangakkara was a worse batsman with the gloves. Gilchrist is unrivalled.

Maybe 1 less bowler depending on conditions and get Lara or someone in that way.

Definitely not unrivalled.

Flower averages 6 more than him and imo was a better keeper

AB de Villiers 10 more, albeit off a lower base.

Kumar did average less as a keeper. But batted 3 in a below average team. Gilly batted almost exclusively below 6 for one of the best teams of all time

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01-29-2022 , 07:57 AM

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Flower played for a bad team and he was a good player. This amplifies his stats.

He had to survive and score runs and grind them out. He was not out more than 15% of the time when batting at 5. That shouldn't happen but shows why his average is so good and also who he was playing alongside.

Gilly could often come out and swing for quick runs which is going to negatively affect his batting average.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but what makes you say flower is the better gloveman?

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01-29-2022 , 09:01 AM

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murli out and steyn in for +strike rate

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01-29-2022 , 09:38 AM

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murli out and steyn in for +strike rate

Maybe for some pitches if it was not a spin friendly track.

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01-29-2022 , 10:08 AM

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Team could probably use an all rounder. Maybe Kallis?

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01-29-2022 , 10:20 AM

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I'd have Steve Waugh in there and you'd get some seam out of him too. Better average than Viv in tests.

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01-29-2022 , 10:22 AM

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Team could probably use an all rounder. Maybe Kallis?

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Who's he replacing?

Where's he batting?

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01-29-2022 , 10:24 AM

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I'd have Steve Waugh in there and you'd get some seam out of him too. Better average than Viv in tests.

Quite possibly slot him in at 6 in place of a bowler depending on conditions.

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01-29-2022 , 10:28 AM

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Who's he replacing?

Where's he batting?

Can figure out a batting order with such talent.

Can replace Murali imo

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01-29-2022 , 11:19 AM

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I would take my chances against that with Cook, some opener, Ponting, Lara, Kohli, Kallis, Flintoff, some keeper, Kumble, Waqar and Ambrose

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01-29-2022 , 01:17 PM

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I would take my chances against that with Cook, some opener, Ponting, Lara, Kohli, Kallis, Flintoff, some keeper, Kumble, Waqar and Ambrose

Would pay money to see that match

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01-29-2022 , 04:44 PM

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Quite possibly slot him in at 6 in place of a bowler depending on conditions.

Kallus as a batting all rounder at 6 is a better option than Waugh if you’re changing the construction of the batting order. At least as good a batsman, far better bowler and one of the GoAT catchers

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