Comparing someone who does something as a secondary sport vs someone who does it as their main focus is completely unfair.

A somewhat embarrassing personal example....I attended a beginner's muy thai class a few years ago. I had a very strong core at the time, would guess I was squatting around ~360 and deadlifting around ~450. The class was full of mediocre athletes(but who had been to this class many times before). We did a bunch of high-rep ab work in warmups, and I was the only one in the class who couldn't finish(my abs started cramping up).

People who regularly train a specific movement are going to be way better than those who only train it occasionally, even if the latter group is in way better overall shape.

And according to that reddit (lol) thread you linked to, Diaz's most impressive trialthon is the XTERRA TAHOE 2012. Some quick googling shows that Diaz finished 25th, with a time of 3:06:19. Somehow this was first in his age group, which I guess is like 21-29, as quite remarkably none of the 24 ahead of him was in his twenties.

Diaz finished nearly a half hour behind the winner, a 15 year old boy (lol). He got beat by 19 seconds by a 59 year old man, and finished 3 minutes behind a 31 year old woman. And six minutes behind a 39 year old woman. And 9 minutes behind a 31 year old woman. And 16 minutes behind a 49 year old man.

ELITE CARDIO

http://www.adventuresportsweektahoe....-overall12.pdf

This random old guy made 5221 free throws in a row:




Would you say that Steph Curry isn't an elite free throw shooter because he can't come close to matching that guy?

I'd take Lomochenko's fitness vs. either Diaz and give you odds.

no, I would say that Nick Diaz's best trialthalon is pretty unimpressive as he lost by a half hour to a 15 year old boy

I'm pretty sure Usain Bolt gets torched in all the long distance competitions.

It very well could be significant that an athlete that competes in an event whose adherents typically have a significant amount of fast twitch muscle fiber, can also compete in this polar opposite freak marathon physique event at a decent level.

Im gonna need to see some video so i can judge the Nates swimming technique.

Of course, I wouldn't expect some rando MMA guy to be good at triathalons. Just pointing out that that Nick Diaz guy isn't, in fact, any good at triathalons.

He's decent.

Distance athletes look as if they could have walked off the spaceship in close encounters of the 3rd kind. It's not necessarily noteworthy if he lost to a few 40 year olds.

and a 59 year old.

His last triathlon he posted the exact same time as a 49 year old woman. Boxers can't match it bro.

btw none of those people are pro or even semi-pro athletes

I agree completely with the bolded, but that's the problem. A unique thing gets a lot less unique when there's more than one of it. Some might even say it's not unique at all.

This event is a circus, and serious fans of either sport don't take it seriously. It's a freak show fight and it's attracting ****loads of casuals. Once it's been decided, the new-ness factor is gone and a repeat is a lot less interesting unless it's a controversial finish (i.e. Conor gets DQ'ed because of an elbow)


Berto is Andre Berto, former WBC Welterweight champion (and Wesley Snipes lookalike). He's a fine boxer, but he was no threat to beat Floyd when Floyd chose him to be his 49th and then-final fight.

Manny is one of the best boxers of all time and was one-half of the "fight we had to see" for nearly 5 years when Floyd chose him to fight as his 48th fight.

Floyd and Manny remains the highest selling combat sports PPV of all time, selling 4.6M PPVs. Four months later, Floyd and Berto sold 300k buys at a cheaper price.

The reason is simple: We pay to watch Floyd lose. He's a heel and we dislike him (even though we all agree he's a top 25 OAT boxer). I want to see Floyd lose badly. I want to watch him asleep on canvas while a ref pointlessly counts to 10. I want to see him cry in a post fight interview and make excuses about how a perfect record never really mattered to him (even though from every single 1st and 2nd person account, it does).

He's at worst the 2nd best heel in boxing history and we want to watch him lose. Once that happens, whether it's as a result of a Manny or Conor left or a Mosley or Maidana right, we've lost interest.

300,000 Floyd fans and slappies tuned in to watch him ride off into the sunset against Berto, and 300,000 fans tuned in to watch Manny fight Jesse Vargas. 300,000 fans watch the average non-Conor/Rhonda UFC PPV.

In order to get big numbers, we need a hook, and the possibility of Floyd losing is our hook. Once that's gone, the number of people that give a **** goes way down.

Saw some article that a lot of money has been bet on the Irish dude, including some really big bets, so not just amateurs betting 10 bucks. Made me wonder, is there some law against people with financial interest in the fight promotion betting on him to shift the lines and make the fight appear more interesting to get more sales or whatever?

You got Jack Johnson as #1 boxing heel OAT? Dude started riots. Hater$ confirmed furious.

****ed enough white women they literally tried to charge him with a federal crime for it. Haters confirmed furious.

Ok, so I'm sure you can see the jist of my question....

Why do you think Steph is an elite FT shooter despite being way worse than an out-of-shape middle aged guy, whereas you call Diaz's cardio unimpressive because he performs worse at triathlons than a 15 year old(who I assume is in amazing shape)?

Arguing against Nick Diaz's cardio is just a weird battle to choose to fight. Its like you're going out of your way to be contrarian. By all accounts his cardio is world class even if you can find examples of him losing to a 15 year old/middle aged man/a 59 year old/etc. when he takes up a sport on the side and competes against people who focus on it 100%.


I see what you're saying and I agree that Floyd's draw as a heel would be greatly diminished with a loss, but I think you're underestimating how big the face turn/redemption storyline could be(especially if Conor turns into a huge heel, insulting boxing at every turn, saying its a joke of a sport and that more MMA guys could prob come in and "dominate" like he did).

I realize this is a horrendous analogy, but its kinda like the nWo invasion of WCW back in the late 90s....there were plenty of heels who instantly became faces just because they were "defending the honor of WCW against these outsiders."

Umm, if you bothered to read the thread you'd know that the point he's arguing against is "Nate Diaz has the next level cardio that no boxer can hope to approach"

And no he's not competing against people who focus on it 100%, he finished his last triathlon 1 HOUR behind some IT guy, ranked athletes don't ever show up in those local mom-and-pop triathlons

I'm pretty sure i'd drown if I had ever entered a triathlon at any point in my life.

Reading your first and last paragraphs in this post, I don't understand how you are arguing that McGregor is going to have better cardio than Floyd in a boxing match.

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That 50000 once attended a particular UFC fight somewhere in Australia or Canada does not prove that it's a big sport outside the USA. That's not data, it's an uncontextualized data point. UFC has its fanbase in a handful of countries and is mostly unknown in the rest. Ireland is so tiny it proves nothing. And less so when we're talking about an Irishman. In Spain some old ladies think that Poli Diaz got robbed fighting some American boxer they can't name (it was Pernell Whittaker, who dominated the fight obviously), but that doesn't prove that boxing is popular in Spain (it isn't) just that jingoistic pride is universal.

There's no better indicator that MMA (and boxing) has problems than the existence of this fight.

FYP

Answer: Severely. LDO.

Assani - do you think the 15 and 59 year olds are training triathlons full time?

But if Conor wins, boxing IS a joke, no amount of wins by Floyd is going to change that.

If a dude can practice any sport for a few hours a week and come in and beat a guy that's considered one of the GOATs, there's no need to compete in that sport anymore.