nah if things were going bad for mayweather in the street fight then he could just swim 1500m, cycle 40km and run 10km and there is absolutely no chance either of the diaz lads could catch him to finish the job

He fooking quadrupled his net worth against the brittle hand ***** in 30 min by convincing millions of ******s to pay 100 bucks a piece. Changed his bum life!

Oh, I don't actually think Connor thought he was going to win. Just having a laugh at gullible MMAbros who thought that Connor thought he was actually going to win.

You're really pretty off base here, bro. None of that grappling stuff is worth a crap in a real street fight when your opponent can rip your eyes out or your ears off, or even just bite you. Or worst of all paralyze/kill you with a rabbit punch to the back of the head.

MMA has rules. Street fights don't.

Lol @ Floyd in a street fight. He's protected by Voltron bros

You made a typo there mate. It's MMA, not street fighting. You did prove my point I was making earlier though. You don't want watch MMA to watch a sport. You want to watch it through the illusion that it's street fighting. It isn't. Could you explain why you make comparisons to street fighting and why (if I'm correct) you are a fan of street fighting?

Dude do not talk nonsense for the love of god.

Any sort of training in martial arts that works in a ring/cage is going to help you in a street fight wether it is muay thai , boxing ju jitsu ect.

I am embarrassed to say was younger and dafter I got in a fair few fights and no one has ever tried to rip my eyes or ears out or bite me. Never happened to any of my mates either. I know just one single person who was bitten in a street fight and iv seen loads as I used to hang around with idiots who fought other idiots.

Iv also seen what happens when someone of just above average physique with limited martial arts experience gets into a street fight with someone with no martial arts experience. It ended badly for the guy with no martial arts experience. Of course its not fool proof , its choatic especially if it involves multiple people on both sides you can still get hurt / sucker punched/stabbed/bottled but experience in effective martial arts will help massively in a street fight.

You teach a guy of average build muay thai for a year and he could **** someone with no experience really badly in a short aamount of time.

Of course the most effective way to not get hurt is to avoid fights at all costs. The misinformation your spreading is not only nonesense , its actually dangerous.

Both sides in this thread have been at times pretty insufferable and this is a pretty good example. If you really think this is true, you are every bit as ignorant as the mma bro who thought Conor had a chance. I am a MMA fan who really wanted Conor to win but i still loaded up the biggest bet of my life betting on Floyd bc i knew it was free money. I also think this thread got trolled by mma fans who didn't really believe in Conor, they just wanted to rile up the LOL keyboard boxer aficionados like RT. As a result it made for a awful read as a casual observer of the thread.

Can i get "LOL keyboard boxing aficionado" as my undertitle?

Spare me. The little tussles you and your 'mates' got into with a rival gang of toughs whom you probably go out for beers with afterward hardly count as real fights in the strict meaning of the word. It's certainly not the kind where two people meet in an alley and only one is coming out. In a real fight like that you have no idea what the other guy is prepared to do, so you'd better be ready to do some pretty severe damage yourself. To think otherwise is being naive, pure and simple.

So yeah, if some guy had me in some kind of choke hold you'd better believe I'm 100% going for his eyes, ears, or sinking my teeth into the most vulnerable part of him I can find, and so should you. Or maybe you'd rather just rely on his good graces to let go before you suffer brain damage or die? Good luck with that.

This part you're right about. The best weapon in a fight is always your brains and your feet - for running in the other direction that is.

As for the rest, I don't disagree with you that good martial arts training is worth its weight in gold in any confrontation, including most importantly knowing how to diffuse a situation and let cooler heads prevail. But if you think you're going to have some kind of warrior code when in confrontations with desperate people out on the streets and that they won't hurt you really, really badly if you give them the opening you're living in a dream world pure and simple.

In a street fight against a random mma bro Mayweather would just punch him in the throat faster that the dude could roll up the sleeves of his affliction tshirt

A real fight is where someone punches someone in the face. The scenario you describes sounds more like something out a movie and makes me suspect you have never even seen a fight before. Theres nothing wrong with that I actually respect people that have never been in a fight before I think its very commendable. What your saying is just nonsense but I take back what I said about it being dangerous I dont think anyone is stupid enough to take you seriously.

So your telling me you could neutralize a high level BJJ guy or good amateur boxer just by fighting dirty is that what your telling me? Because both those guys, even much smaller guys would **** me up badly even if I tried to fight dirty.

But who knows maybe your just a real bad ass that could neutralize years and years of training with your self defense expertise.

People still want to talk about this spectacle but there just isn't much more to say, thus the thread has gone off the rails.

Well this discussion is awful, here's a nice gif of Conor's best punch of the fight:

I was surprised by how well Conor boxed and how elusive he was when he had the energy. Lots of head movement, very good at slipping punches, and lots of lateral movement. He gave himself angles but didn't know what to do with them. Also surprised at how little power he generated throwing punches in boxing stance. Evidently he generates power in MMA by launching from a distance behind the threat of kicks.

I was also surprised by how much Conor had to learn about dirty boxing with Mayweather there to school him on the subject. Despite Conor's shortcomings, if I'd had the house bet on Mayweather I'd been sweating it right after the 8th round. As it was it was Conor's last gasp rather than his second wind. Conor's corner told him to hold coming out for the 10th so he would have energy for the championship rounds. Guess he didn't listen.

Did anyone notice that at 2 minutes left in the 10th Mayweather kissed his right glove, evidently preparing it for the big one just before the ref stepped in?


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I've been in my share of scraps, thanks. But some dude punching some other dude in the face in a bar or parking lot is still essentially a sport fight, not one with lives on the line. From the sound of things that's something you're not familiar with but in my job I have to plan for it fairly regularly (remind me if we ever meet in person and I'll show you the scars from where a guy I thought was no threat at all got me in the chest with a pitchfork of all things. Glancing blow, fortunately, but still not something I'll forget).

But just so we're clear, what I'm NOT saying is that I could neutralize a BJJ guy or some other MMA type, or even a top boxer with some types of dirty moves, because in reality if it got to that point I'd already be so f*cked it would be a pointless exercise. However if some random on a farm that I'm out repossessing overpowers me and starts choking me out or something you'd better believe I'm going for some extreme damage while he's in close so that I can get loose and get away. Of course I also carry a collapsible baton for situations like that (also perfectly legal in street fights) but it always helps to have a plan, right?

What I AM saying is that when the MMA was freaking invented by the Gracie brothers they specifically included rules to make their own brand of BJJ the dominant skill set. No biting, no eye gouging, no punching to the back of the head, ref doesn't break clinches etc. Bring those back in and it totally changes the complexion of the contest. It's pretty much moot of course, because no combat sports association is sanctioning bouts without those rules, so who cares? I just get aggravated by the whole MMA is a street fight and boxing or kickboxing or whatever isn't. And I like MMA.

rant over. carry on.

Im going to keep this short as we are way off topic and clogging up the thread. A fight is a fight you cant just change the meanings of words to back up your argument.


You first suggested martial arts wouldnt help in a street fight but now your backtracking when I suggest what your essentially saying is that either one of us could counteract years of experience in martial arts just by fighting dirty which is patently false.

Just answer me this do you think being trained in boxing/muaythai/jitsu will you a better chance of not being hurt in a physical altercation or not?

This fits the conversation re: fighting dirty neutralizes all.

Bas the GOAT, 2 minutes long.

Good stuff.

Could anyone explain Conor's strategy of standing to the side/back of Floyd while holding onto him around the waist? Did he think the ref would actually let him stay in that position?

In the real world people will stab you with a broken bottle or stick a screwdriver in your belly.

There are mean, nasty, awful people out there that simply do not care about what anyone thinks is OK as long as they win. Be glad you haven't experienced this, but don't disregard what Dinopoker is saying. He's 100% correct. Two college dudes punching each other NHL style isn't a life or death situation. Don't confuse the two.

Conor claims he didn't understand the rule and kept "wasting energy trying to take his back" only to be broken up and reset by the ref. Considering he had long-time boxing ref Joe Cortez in his camp, I just can't see that being true.

It seems more likely that he didn't know how to operate in the boxing clinch (see also: rabbit punches) and Floyd started turning in an effort to force a quicker break.

Tangentially, Conor also mentioned post fight that all but one of his sparring partners tried to emulate the Philly shell defense Floyd favors. He thought that if more partners had used the straight forward high guard that Floyd used in this fight, he'd have done better.

Again, I find that super hard to believe. Plenty of people mentioned that a defense that relies heavy on the shoulder roll is less effective against southpaw and a basic guard would ve been more useful for Conor to work against anyway given his lack of experience.

Either he's lying about these things or Conor has some truly awful coaches.

Go back to the first post , we were talking about street fights , not life or death situations. He changed the meaning of street fight to suit his argument. 99.9% of steet fights are not life of death situations.

This is the truth. When it comes to physical confrontations of any severity on average you will be safer if you are trained in martial arts. Most physical confrontations arent life or death situations and martial arts will prepare you for that. Sure if some guy is swinging a machete probably not going to matter how well trained you are. I did say they werent full proof im just saying you are going to be safer if you know them.

And im talking about boxing/muaythai proper proven martial arts not traditional old ones that arent effective in a ring or cage.