Ward vs. Gatti. Those were wars.

Barrera vs. Morales were also great fights. They beat the **** out of each other.

Marquez vs. Manny were also superb.

Fernando Vargas also fought his ass off too. The fight against Felix Trinidad comes to mind.

Unfortunately it's been about five years since anything like those fights have taken place.

Feel free to correct me if I left any out.

younger Marques and Israel Vasquez trilogy was incredible

4th fight Vasquez was done

Castillo-Corrales

Ward/Gatti.....what a ****ing war. I really hope boxing has a renaissance soon, but I'm not hopeful.

When I read stupid dumb stuff like this I think most of you have never been in or even seen a "street fight". While you are getting in your grappling stance the other guy has hit you in the head and it's over. Real fights finish in 20-30 seconds. One or two good head shots and most people are out on their feet. Usually the loser is on the ground getting kicked in the ribs or the face, depending on the other guy's intentions.

Before: Conor is too big, too strong and has an unorthodox style Floyd has never dealt with before.

After: Boxing isn't a real fight.

If you're talking about randoms, sure.

If you are talking about a trained wrestler/BJJ and a trained boxer, it's different.

Basically if the grappler gets inside, the boxer is toast.

UFC is about as close to a street fights as it gets. Look at Gracie dominating strikers literally twice his weight...

See also Couture vs Toney

Before: The angles are different in MMA, bro

After: All he did was run (if we somehow see 12 rounds)

I have never met one who was like that who wasn't over 70 years old. How many have you met out of interest? And once again American's who call themselves Irish are not ****ing Irish.

I have no idea why you focused on that one sentence when I essentially agreed with you, with a caveat :

Boxers have much better hands because that's what they train to do. If they land their shots they will win most fights.

Many fights, however, wind up on the ground or with both people grabbing/wrestling with each other in some way. When that happens, the grapplers have an enormous advantage and the boxer will get his ass beat if he doesn't create distance.

So what are the rules about throwing people around when they are clinched up in boxing? If Conor is allowed to just rag doll Floyd off him every time Floyd tries to tie up I can't imagine Floyd will be hugging him too much after the first exchange

You aren't really allowed to "throw people around" in a tie up. You can manipulate their position a little and turn or push them, but what you're describing would get a warning and then points would be taken.

Damn I was looking forward to hearing John Kavanaugh tell Conor he's "winning da clinch every time" in between rounds.

If I recall in the Pacquio Horn fight, Horn was kind of tossing him around in clinches. The ref never said anything though.

Not really, although he was definitely moving Manny inside the clinches.

Horn was leading with his head and upper body quite a bit (which helped cause the headbutts) and pushing Manny that way, but he wasn't really doing what I think redd is suggesting.

That ref was roundly criticized as well because he was too hands-off during the fight.

Because we are talking about a combat sport. I find it more interesting to know who would win in "real life" (in quotes because as I said, even MMA is still artificial, just much less so than boxing) rather than who wins a boxing match which has many arbitrary rules that render it all but useless for that sort of prediction.

If other people don't find that aspect as compelling I can understand that, to each his own.

meh there's no such thing as "actual combat" imo. if you're trying to murder someone on the street with your bare hands (why extra degree of difficulty idk) you have to make sure he at least doesn't see the very first punch coming

Did you hear about when Nick Diaz got jumped in vegas last year? took down 3 guys all on his own lol

I disagree, but that is a cool perspective.

Ummmmm Hagler Hearns

Don't really follow boxing or MMA closely, but I remember watching the Tyson-Buster Douglas fight. Watching Tyson go down was one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen. I can't even think of a good analogy to how shocking it was at the time... maybe like a human defeating an indestructible fighting android? Douglas was a 42-1 underdog I believe.

Anyway point being I can't count out McGregor. And as I remember Tyson was in his prime and basically demolishing most of his opponents in the 1st round. Mayweather is getting old and it sure seems like he's in this because he needs another big payday.

Obviously still think Floyd will win but I'd be nervous betting a lot to win a little on him. Upsets happen.

If McGregor was a no name with the same skill as he currently has then Mayweather would be at least a 42-1 favorite and the only story would be how disgraceful it is that Floyd is fighting a guy with no experience or chance to beat him in a shameless attempt to get to 50-0 and retire with one final paycheck.

Wow. Sorry. Good catch. They were before my time, and I was really tired when I made that post last night.

Floyd wouldn't be paid nine figures to fight just "some dude." McGregor has fame and a big mouth, making it worth 9 figures for Floyd to fight him.

It's the same complaint when CM Punk went to UFC. People thought he didn't belong. Of course he didn't belong. But he put asses in the seats. And that's what matters. Conor/Mayweather will generate buys that Mayweater/Glass Joe wouldn't.

Tyson also looked past Buster Douglas and thought he could cruise to another win, plus I think there was a lot of personal issues Tyson had at the time. I don't think FM is looking past CM and even if he is, CM isn't a professional boxer like Douglas was.