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Old 04-13-2012, 06:32 PM   #501
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

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who broke the Pitino story? Name? Hell who broke the Reggie Bush Story? Someone from yahoo. What has he done since?

lol @ the NYT hiring someone bc they wrote publicly about the coach at Arkansas having an affair. looooool

What is more likely

1) The NYT hires someone from whatever the **** the Arkansas newspaper is
2) The local fans turn on said writer and they are unemployed
Could you cite all the times 2)has happened?
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:36 PM   #502
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

I don't really care, I just asked which is more likely and I think it is definitely 2
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:50 PM   #503
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

But I think you're just making assumptions if you can't even point out one instance where that actually happened.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:54 PM   #504
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

I mean I wouldn't know if it did because beat writers are beat writers

But we can on the other had go through the scandals that have happened, and see what happened to the people that exposed them

The closest thing I can think of is Brian Windhorst going from Cleveland to ESPN because of his close following of Labron, but that was Labron ****ing James, and its not like Windhorst really exposed a "scandal," he just did good work and got close to Labron and his people

So I feel pretty safe making the statement that the NYT doesn't hire people based on exposing a coach's sexting and affairs
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:59 PM   #505
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Umm...what does who broke the Reggie Bush story have to do with SEC FOOTBAW?

Seems more like a counterexample.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:03 PM   #506
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

The point was that you can't name who did it

The SEC FOOTBAW point was that FOOTBAW SUcCESS>>>>>>>>>>>everything in SEC country

And in this case that was on top of the benefit of keeping one's job and getting to report for a successful program. And writing for a successful program leads to professional success as more people read
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:06 PM   #507
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

Dan LeBatard just came to mind. He had death threats for the whole Pell Grant thing that ****ed Miami over

I don't know how much his reporting for that played into his current success, so that could be a rebuttal to my point
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:11 PM   #508
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

Just search the Michigan thread for Free Press or Freep if you want to see a fanbase turn on a newspaper/reporter
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:29 PM   #509
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Hmm...Ok, your continued use of rebuttals to your own point has won me over.

Since this only came to light because of a crash, and Petrino was brazenly riding around with her on his Harley without a helmet, and a reporter at the press conference knew to press him, "Coach, you said you were alone on that bike, right?", and still the news only broke after the police report came out...i'm thinking there may be something to the idea that the beat writers were playing ball.

But this seems more lol beatwriters and football supremacy around the country than an SEC in particular problem.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:02 PM   #510
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

When does the 30-woman story break?
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:10 PM   #511
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

I don't think Fyte On understands print media. Got nothing to do with SEC or not. Only way a writer of any kind sits on something is if he cares more about the team than his career. I would be shocked if anything close to the majority of beat writers were actually even fans/alumni of the teams they covered.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:34 PM   #512
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

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Just search the Michigan thread for Free Press or Freep if you want to see a fanbase turn on a newspaper/reporter
Did anyone lose his job over it? Perhaps a free lancer just got his rep hurt.


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When does the 30-woman story break?
30 for 30 IMO
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:51 PM   #513
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As long as Arkansas has Jerry Jones money they'll always have a chance to compete nationally.
Chump change compared to Walton money.
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:55 PM   #514
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This "oh man you can't break the big story if you want to MAKE IT BIG in journalism, ya gotta just stick to grinding out the mundane 'oh spring practice is going good' and 'oh man coach likes our team this year' stories, otherwise nobody will like you" is like the worst ****ing career advice ever. DON'T ROCK THE BOAT, THE MOST FAMOUS GUYS ARE THE ONES WHO JUST DID THE SAME THING EVERYONE ELSE DID.

Holy **** man. Yeah, the best journalists are the ones that bury every scoop they get. Your brain must be so full of ****.
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:56 PM   #515
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When does the 30-woman story break?
never, all the journalists are burying it because that's how you MAKE IT BIG and SELL LOTS OF NEWSPAPERS.
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:58 PM   #516
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Dan LeBatard just came to mind. He had death threats for the whole Pell Grant thing that ****ed Miami over
AND YOU REMEMBER HIS NAME? Earlier this page you were all like "nobody ever rememebers who broke big stories" lol @ u.

hint: the goal of journalists is not "avoid getting death threats." For a lot of journalists, they see getting death threats as a huge sign that they're DOING THEIR JOB INCREDIBLY WELL.
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:59 PM   #517
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Chump change compared to Walton money.
jerry actually cares about the football team though.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:13 PM   #518
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Props to Bobby's 2nd girl (hotter than dorell imo), but wtf is that thing next to her
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Lol pvn no one is hiring the beat writers from bum **** Arkansas no matter what they break bro much less the ****ing new York times which you were the first to mention. So yeah they won't rock the boat

But yeah keep drankin yer berbin typing in caps and quoting parts of my comments and not even answering the question
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Anyway my bad for derailing what was a good thread by taking pvn off ignore then responding to his trolling
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You're so clueless
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:26 AM   #523
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jerry actually cares about the football team though.
Yeah, the Walton's give a ton to academics but not much to athletics. Stephens, Tyson, Hunt, Walker, and the Reynolds foundation give the big bucks to athletics.
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Yeah, the Walton's give a ton to academics but not much to athletics. Stephens, Tyson (chicken tycoon), Hunt (catsup tycoon), Walker (whisky tycoon), and the Reynolds (wrap tycoon)foundation give the big bucks to athletics.
My guesses.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:44 AM   #525
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Re: Bobby Petrino on permanent leave

Because I'm very MAD and apparently take the internet too seriously I've borrowed a laptop to make a real post. This also serves me right for making half points at work.

Shouldnt have insulted Arkansas. My bad.

Beat writers. Beat writers have a very very delicate balance bc of their close proximity to players and coaches. They know a ton. But as much as they know a ton, the obviously can't share everything. I know someone who was a beat writer the Dodgers during the end of the Torre era and there was a lot of **** they just couldn't print, bc if they did and Torre stuck around, they're out as far as trust goes.

It's not like a normal journalist who wants explosion and exposure, per se. Obviously they want to sell papers but they need info for that and as I said have to make a ton of judgement calls.

They're not read for opinion and analysis, they're read for roster updates, who looks good in practice, are the players happy, or is the coach losing the locker room? They get info from both sides of stories, and they post what they see fit, while always giving the other side the opportunity to respond. They may post something good the day after something bad, to get back on someone's good side.

So for the Arkansas writers, what would have happened if they wrote the story that Petrino was having these affairs, and he wasn't fired?

a) beat writer's relationship with the program is shot. Good luck working in that area again too
b) we're talking about a small enough niche that breaking a college football coaches sexting habits isn't going to rock the boat and make a bunch of other papers say "hey we want that guy to dig up dirt on our coaches." _Maybe_ they get a shot in another line of newspapers, doing some other investigative journalism? But there are already investigative journalists digging on way more serious ****.

What if they posted their story and Petrino was fired?

The NYT was brought up. The NYT is a damn near impossible paper to get a gig for. Best of the best. I was responding directly to that. The Arkansas beat writer would not get a job at the NYT because they exposed Bobby Petrino's sexting habits. I'm sorry, that would just not happen.

Beyond that, would the next coachin regime trust this guy? Again, back to what beat writers need, and that's intel and access.

Then, what about the fans, whether Petrino was fired or not? How much would they hate that guy? Admittedly I haven't cared to do the research on cases of beat writers losing their job for this, and I won't, so that it was sloppy by mean to be so absolute.

But it's important to note that Dan Lebatard was not a beat writer, he was a columnist. And was already working for the Miami Herald, Miami's biggest newspaper, not a local college paper.

So in the big picture, I can totally see these beat writers sitting on the story, which was the point of my original post. There are pros and cons to posting the Petrino affairs and sitting on it. It was posted itt that someone thought that the beat writers sat on the story, and I very much believe that is possible. That was my point.

Anyway I'm supposed to be pregaming and again am clogging a good thread. Good night.
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