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Old 06-30-2012, 03:15 PM   #1901
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i'm not super impressed with the job he's done, the system isn't all that deep either. now he'll probably botch this Luongo trade too by eating another horrible contract instead of getting a worthwhile roster player or decent prospects or picks bc lolTallon clearly owns his soul, and he has zero leverage.
maybe the problem is you have too high of expectations for the value of a goalie with 10 years left on his deal and a nmc
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:17 PM   #1902
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basically what i'm saying is that i'm not about to be blowing Gillis bc in 5 years he managed to turn this:

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(assuming Luongo is eventually dealt for non-roster players, and the Canucks miss out on Schultz)



yay, caproom!

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maybe the problem is you have too high of expectations for the value of a goalie with 10 years left on his deal and a nmc
maybe.

then more great work by GOAT GM Mike Gillis!
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:17 PM   #1903
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there are no guarantees the cap stays way up there.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:18 PM   #1904
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yeah i already speculated that it'll drop to ~$65m, still waiting for your take on it...
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:19 PM   #1905
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I'm a little disappointed that Dougie Wilson hasn't re-signed Daniel "All I do is WIN"nik. He's gonna be a good bargain for whichever team grabs him tomorrow. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll stick around SJ so he can party with his good buddy T.J. Galiardi
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:24 PM   #1906
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I'm thinking GMs should be much more prudent in the FA market this year with the new CBA looming
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:26 PM   #1907
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they should be but they won't be
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:36 PM   #1908
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Lolol pitt if they sign parise for 10/$80m
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:47 PM   #1909
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Edmonton Oilers
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The Edmonton Oilers have agreed to terms with Justin Schultz. More details to come.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:55 PM   #1910
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:10 PM   #1911
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the LOiL prob told Schultz that they picked him 1st overall in the draft and he said "hmm, makes sense", then signed the contract.

hope he sucks. who needs him anyway when you got Ballard, Alberts, Tanev, & Gragnani!?
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:16 PM   #1912
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chris tanev looks like a real good prospect. gillis was probably not willing to guarantee schultz ice time (because it's idiotic to do that)
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:25 PM   #1913
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Lolol pitt if they sign parise for 10/$80m
Why lol? Slight overpayment for a franchise player like Parise is fine by me. You know what you're getting with him year in and year out. I really can't imagine we'd put that cap space to better use.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:32 PM   #1914
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Man, Parise on the Pens would make me cry like a little *****. They're already the best fenwcik team in the league. Adding Parise to that would be insane, though they might have trouble re-signing malkin if they commit 10/80 to him
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:43 PM   #1915
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Man, Parise on the Pens would make me cry like a little *****. They're already the best fenwcik team in the league. Adding Parise to that would be insane, though they might have trouble re-signing malkin if they commit 10/80 to him
why? Malkin already makes $8.7m/year, given Sid might get $8.7m/year on his new deal, i'd expect Malkin to get the same. (if he's game for that too)

problem could be making it all fit this year (without moving anyone else out) if the cap drops like i think it will. and then maybe retaining their free agents going forward. but if you have:

Neal - Malkin - x
Parise - Crosby - x
x - Sutter - x

does it really matter all that much who you slot into those other spots?

(assuming good health, ldo)

edit: by cap go down, i just mean wrt the projection of $70m
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:46 PM   #1916
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Why lol? Slight overpayment for a franchise player like Parise is fine by me. You know what you're getting with him year in and year out. I really can't imagine we'd put that cap space to better use.
No you don't. He is 28 and not particularly skilled - when his skating starts to go, he will no longer be great. That is definitely a high-risk contract.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:51 PM   #1917
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Chiarelli says the Bruins are almost certainly standing pat tomorrow and prob for most of FA. Given their cap situation and the uncertainty of the CBA, no real surprise there.

Someone taking TT's contract off our hands for the cap floor would be nice, though.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:56 PM   #1918
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Why lol? Slight overpayment for a franchise player like Parise is fine by me. You know what you're getting with him year in and year out. I really can't imagine we'd put that cap space to better use.
What triumph said for the most part. Parise will be 28, and the shelf life on scoring wingers isnt great. Nevermind that Parise is flat out not a superstar like people think he is, but he'll get paid like one. His production will Ovechkin in a couple years, and his contract will be an albatross at 10/80m. If you sign him you better hope you win a cup or two in a couple years because otherwise youll have a third of your cap space tied up in an over the hill winger, an injury prone candy ass, and malkin.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:00 PM   #1919
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how does the Thomas thing work again if he's willing to be traded, but doesn't want to play?

$5m cap hit / $3m in salary, but i guess the team doesn't pay anything if he doesn't play? does he take a roster spot?

if the answers are no, then i wonder what kind of value he has to a Phoenix, or Columbus, or Anaheim, or Colorado, or Florida, or Dallas, or NYI, or Ottawa, or Winnipeg, or whoever.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:05 PM   #1920
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how does the Thomas thing work again if he's willing to be traded, but doesn't want to play?

$5m cap hit / $3m in salary, but i guess the team doesn't pay anything if he doesn't play? does he take a roster spot?

if the answers are no, then i wonder what kind of value he has to a Phoenix, or Columbus, or Anaheim, or Colorado, or Florida, or Dallas, or NYI, or Ottawa, or Winnipeg, or whoever.
Ya, salary figures are correct and I can't imagine he takes up a roster spot but I might be wrong about that. Certainly doesn't get paid the $3m.

And I'm not sure how much it really helps the Bruins given that the contract comes off the books after this year anyways and they aren't doing anything in FA. But seems like it could give them some flexibility if they have a rash of injuries and/or need to make a deal at the deadline. They are right about at the cap, but will presumably LTIR Marc Savard and his 4m hit.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:30 PM   #1921
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No you don't. He is 28 and not particularly skilled - when his skating starts to go, he will no longer be great. That is definitely a high-risk contract.
It's a risk worth taking for the Penguins. With Staal out of the picture and Malkin likely taking a discount the way Crosby did, now isn't the time to be shy about spending money. The only integral player who needs an extension soon is Letang in two years, and Shero has left himself a lot of options to clear space by that point.

The CBA is the wildcard in all of this, of course, but nobody knows what's going to happen with that and it's difficult to gameplan for.

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What triumph said for the most part. Parise will be 28, and the shelf life on scoring wingers isnt great. Nevermind that Parise is flat out not a superstar like people think he is, but he'll get paid like one. His production will Ovechkin in a couple years, and his contract will be an albatross at 10/80m. If you sign him you better hope you win a cup or two in a couple years because otherwise youll have a third of your cap space tied up in an over the hill winger, an injury prone candy ass, and malkin.
Parise has been a world class player when healthy, and even when later in the contract his numbers start to decline he's still going to be a very valuable player because of his all around game. Sounds like you've already convinced yourself that the Penguins are going to sign him and now you're grasping for straws as to why it's a bad move. Having tons of cap space tied up in Crosby, Malkin, Parise, and Neal. Lol Pitt amirite?!
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:32 PM   #1922
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i don't think parise will fall off a cliff. he doesn't have ovi/kovy's shot, but he's good on and off the puck, great checker, knows how to make himself open, which is all he needs to do playing with either crosby or malkin. his legs might go and he is not going to become an elite grinder, but that's a long way off. $80/10 is an overpayment and i hope it bites them in the ass, but it's not a crime compared to most UFA deals.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:35 PM   #1923
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A 10/80 deal is without question a bad deal for Parise. A 5/40 deal is not. Parise has an excellent all around game but that's all he has - he is not an elite talent when it comes to scoring, or passing, or even stickhandling or any of these things that you typically see from top-end skill players. He very rarely scores from outside the circles. He is great at winning 1 on 1 battles, has tremendous instincts for the puck in the scoring areas, and is an excellent player on the cycle. If his speed starts to go early, and his shots fall off, he won't be a very good player anymore - he scores a lot because he generates a lot of shots, not because of his skill at scoring them.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:40 PM   #1924
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Having tons of cap space tied up in Crosby, Malkin, Parise, and Neal. Lol Pitt amirite?!
see, when you put it like that, that's $30.5m tied up in a repeat consussion, a reconstructed ACL/MCL, and two wingers. yeah, i hope it bites you in the ass.

ETA: agree that 40/5 is better than 80/10 for any team, not just the pens. sure, probably worse for the pens than some other team.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:45 PM   #1925
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and the only real issue there is Crosby's head, so trollollolololol

but whatta ya gonna do, let the best player in the league walk over it? nah, you gotta take your chances, and if it goes bad then oh well.

see: Lindros, Eric
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