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Old 06-30-2012, 01:30 PM   #1876
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Re: NHL Offseason 2012 Thread

also you don't want your team to have a big day on july 1
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:33 PM   #1877
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*shug*, it depends... (as always)

but yeah i get what you mean

i just think there are some good moves and signings to be made, and the Canucks def have a couple things they should be doing, but Gillis always seems really slow and reactive.

but yeah i guess we'll see where the prices are at tomorrow, and if they're insane, then yeah prob better off not doing much.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:36 PM   #1878
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Leafs bought out Colby Armstrong ($1M cap hit for the next two seasons)

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Old 06-30-2012, 01:37 PM   #1879
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that's why the canucks have a ton of cap space and can do whatever they want - because gillis is smart and hasn't larded the team down with lots of terrible deals, ballard notwithstanding
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:38 PM   #1880
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sadly he doesn't have any major holes he can patch through UFA - i'd be surprised if he signed more than one player.
Predicting a 4 year deal for Asham which will make up in the lulz department for the lack of quantity
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:39 PM   #1881
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Burkie confirmed no longer interested in having his team play with pugnacity, testosterone, truculence & belligerence.

how will the Toronto bro alliance ever recover from the loss of this overpaid, mouth-breathing plug?
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:47 PM   #1882
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Pretty easily since he only played in 79 games over the past two seasons.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:48 PM   #1883
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that's why the canucks have a ton of cap space and can do whatever they want - because gillis inherited a team with the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Salo, Raymond, Edler, Bieksa, W.Mitchell, Luongo, Schneider, Grabner, Hansen, etc already in place


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...hasn't larded the team down with lots of terrible deals, ballard notwithstanding
yeah i guess i'll give him credit for not making too many ridiculously bad moves. but at the same time he hasn't made many good ones either.

and ffs, it's not like i'm advocating that he go out and sign A.Kostitsyn for $6m/year or something. i just think it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if they were in play for guys like Parise, Suter, Doan, or at least some lower tier depth guys bc the team needs it (esp 3rd-4th C, and some depth D). again, depending on price. if everything is ridic then no, it's not really worth it. but even in the frenzy it seems like there is value to be had, and sometimes guys take contracts that make sense to come to a good team like this.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:50 PM   #1884
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gillis was hired in 08, every player on the canucks's contract was signed by him or traded for by him. the sedins are ridiculously cheap, as is kesler, and it's what's allowed them to build a great team.

doan would be a horrible signing.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:51 PM   #1885
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Pens sign Niskanen for $4.6m over 2 years?



yeah ok, i guess tomorrow will be nuts...

@T: so you're giving Gillis credit for what, being a great negotiator in contract renewals? keep in mind that have as much to do with the players as him, but w/e.

too bad he hasn't been able to use his GM tools to fill out the roster with quality players given all the money he had to work with.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:53 PM   #1886
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Pens sign Niskanen for $4.6m over 2 years?



yeah ok, i guess tomorrow will be nuts...
Cory Sarich lookin like a bargain now
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:00 PM   #1887
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Is this the twilight zone? HFtards have a consensus on it being a 'good' deal.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:02 PM   #1888
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@T: so you're giving Gillis credit for what, being a great negotiator in contract renewals? keep in mind that have as much to do with the players as him, but w/e.
Yes, and this is an enormous skill.

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too bad he hasn't been able to use his GM tools to fill out the roster with quality players given all the money he had to work with.
It's really hard to do this because it's almost impossible to win in free agency. Ballard was a worthwhile gamble that blew up in his face. Hamhuis has been solid. Malhotra - great signing, turned out poor because of injury.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:08 PM   #1889
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I'm getting a kick out of the various members of the hockey media who liken this to the LeBron situation with smartass twitter posts like "Waiting for the decision...where's Jim Gray?" etc. etc. especially when you consider who created this whole scenario? The hockey media!!! It's not Schultz is out holding court on it, releasing cryptic statements or scheduling press conferences, it's all media-created. If the media hadn't been harping on this for the past two months or so, the anticipation of this would be slightly higher than last summer's monumental Blake Kessel decision. (HFB)
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:14 PM   #1890
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Someone in Schultz's camp has to be leaking all of this stuff to the media about lists and the like, though. Teams he met with are bound to become media knowledge, but that isn't.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:18 PM   #1891
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Is this the twilight zone? HFtards have a consensus on it being a 'good' deal.
i'll defer to our resident experts here of course, but he doesn't seem all that great

- top linemates: Neal, Malkin, Kunitz, & Engelland (about 1/3 of the time), then Dupuis, Cooke, Sullivan, Vitale, Kennedy, Orpik (about 1/4 to 1/5 for those guys)
- highest O-zone start among Pitt D, just ahead of Engelland & Martin
- 2nd worst relative Corsi among Pitt D, just ahead of Engelland
- lowest qualcomp among Pitt D (by far it seems)
- 2nd highest qualteam among Pitt D, just behind Martin

looks like he was pretty sheltered last year and still didn't perform very well. my eye test tells me that he isn't all that good, at least not yet. and i remember Stars fans being happy that he was included in that Neal trade, but that could just be the thing where fans dog the guy who isn't around anymore.

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Yes, and this is an enormous skill.
but like i said, many of those signings had to do with guys who were motivated to stay, and worked with him to some extent. i wouldn't give him too much credit for that. some, but let's not go nuts.

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It's really hard to do this because it's almost impossible to win in free agency. Ballard was a worthwhile gamble that blew up in his face. Hamhuis has been solid. Malhotra - great signing, turned out poor because of injury.
Hamhuis obv was good, but again a guy who wanted to be here. yes Malhotra was good pre-injury, which is why i think going after a guy like McClement tomorrow might be good as insurance, or a replacement if MM is just done as an effective hockey player.

wasn't Ballard known to be awful before the Canucks dealt for him? thought i recalled him being some massive Corsi dog in Florida, like one of the worst in the league? after watching him with Vancouver i can see why, if i'm remembering the first part correctly. Booth was meh trade too that may or may not turn out to be any good. not sure why he keeps bringing Alberts back, etc.

anyway i don't even know what we're arguing about, unless it's that teams shouldn't do anything in the next couple days. i think there is value to be had if you shop right, and if you're a good team with some cap room it might be worth overpaying a little to get someone that can fill a hole, and maybe help put you over the top.

re: Schultz

anyone know who his agent is?
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:23 PM   #1892
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Josh Yohe ‏@JoshYohe_Trib

I'm expecting Pens to offer Parise something in neighborhood of 10 years, $75-80 million.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:24 PM   #1893
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Someone in Schultz's camp has to be leaking all of this stuff to the media about lists and the like, though. Teams he met with are bound to become media knowledge, but that isn't.
Perhaps, but also very similar to the labron situation was how teams couldn't really outbid each other...which greatly diminishes the financial incentive to be leaking all sorts of stuff.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:31 PM   #1894
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I'm arguing that yes, it's almost impossible to win on FA day. there are bargains at the low and high end, typically. Almost all the deals signed tomorrow will be bad. Gillis has been very good at shopping at the low end - Higgins, for instance, was an inspired acquisition.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:42 PM   #1895
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It's easy to shop for bargains when you have your core set.

For the Habs who have a massive hole at top 6 LW, we're either gonna have to suck a big bag of dicks next year or overpay for a guy like Semin (or Parise ONE TIME).
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:50 PM   #1896
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Am I the only one who thinks Parise will re-sign in NJ?
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:54 PM   #1897
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Am I the only one who thinks Parise will re-sign in NJ?
No - I think it's around even money.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:56 PM   #1898
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Hopefully Marty does the unthinkable and leaves causing Parise to not want to stay in NJ
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:58 PM   #1899
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I'm arguing that yes, it's almost impossible to win on FA day. there are bargains at the low and high end, typically. Almost all the deals signed tomorrow will be bad.
last year: (to name a few)

Ryder @ $3.5m for 2 years
Vrbata @ $3m for 3 years
Souray @ $1.65m for 1 year
Ponikarovsky @ $1.5m for 1 year
B.Pouliot @ #1.1m for 1 year
Goc @ $1.7m for 3 years
Fiddler @ $1.8m for 3 years
Brunette @ $2m for 1 year
M.Smith @ $2m for 2 years
Halpern @ $850k for 1 year
Theodore @ $1.5m for 2 years
Elliott @ $600k for 1 year
Salo @ $2m for 1 year

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Gillis has been very good at shopping at the low end - Higgins, for instance, was an inspired acquisition.
yeah i was going to mention that among his better moves were trading for Higgins & Lapierre, then signing them both to reasonable deals. other than that? not much.

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It's easy to shop for bargains when you have your core set...
this is what i'm saying. but apparently it isn't? i mean Gillis had this core in place when he got here:

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Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Grabner - Kesler - Raymond
Hansen

Mitchell - Bieksa
Edler - Salo

Luongo
Schneider
he signed Malhotra, which was solid until his eye injury
drafted Hodgson and turned him into Kassian
basically turned W.Mitchell into Hamhuis
made smart deals for Higgins & Lapierre
traded Grabner & a 1st for Ballard's contract
turned some free agent meh into Booth's contract

this will be his 5th summer now trying to fill out that roster?

i'm not super impressed with the job he's done, the system isn't all that deep either. now he'll probably botch this Luongo trade too by eating another horrible contract instead of getting a worthwhile roster player or decent prospects or picks bc lolTallon clearly owns his soul, and he has zero leverage.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:12 PM   #1900
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did i miss anyone notable? any of these guys re-sign or retire?
Eric Fehr goes ufa tomorrow because he was not given a qualifying offer.

I thought we would have Glass signed.

Here's a feel good story for LA fans about Pearson
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...rie-colts-trio

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