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Old 06-20-2012, 07:45 PM   #976
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There's plenty wrong with it, and if you can't see why I'm sorry.
"Awarded to the defenseman who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position"

All-round I assume meaning that putting up 78 points from the blue line comes into consideration. I guess what you want is a new trophy for the best defensive defenseman. I hope they call it the Hal Gill award.
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:46 PM   #977
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good joke Erin
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:46 PM   #978
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"Awarded to the defenseman who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position"

All-round I assume meaning that putting up 78 points from the blue line comes into consideration. I guess what you want is a new trophy for the best defensive defenseman. I hope they call it the Hal Gill award.
If it's anything like the Selke Trophy, it too would've gone to Erik Karlsson this year.
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:49 PM   #979
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Yea i see the problem- he doesnt fit your arbitrary definition of "best all around defenseman" Take it back to hfboards
how is playing good defense an arbitrary part of being a defenseman? jfc
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:51 PM   #980
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Karlsson plays good defense because he never has to.
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:52 PM   #981
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:54 PM   #982
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how is playing good defense an arbitrary part of being a defenseman? jfc
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Karlsson plays good defense because he never has to.
This. Jesus ****ing christ guys get with the times.
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:54 PM   #983
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Oh snap they got it right.

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Old 06-20-2012, 08:01 PM   #984
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Wow this show is terrible.

OK, that Shanahan bit made me chuckle.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:04 PM   #985
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Yea i see the problem- he doesnt fit your arbitrary definition of "best all around defenseman" Take it back to hfboards
HFBoards would actually make a case for Karlsson rather than spout off a weak retort.


Chara was 3rd in the NHL for plus minus. Karlsson was 48th. Is plus/minus the end all for rating a players value? Of course not..just like points aren't for Karlsson. Unfortunately Karlsson excells in no other areas other than offense. He can't PK and he's an average defender.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:09 PM   #986
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HFBoards would actually make a case for Karlsson rather than spout off a weak retort.


Chara was 3rd in the NHL for plus minus. Karlsson was 48th. Is plus/minus the end all for rating a players value? Of course not..just like points aren't for Karlsson. Unfortunately Karlsson excells in no other areas other than offense. He can't PK and he's an average defender.
he probably could PK, it just doesn't make sense from him to do so.

lmk when ottawa has two great goalies and an amazing defensive forward like patrice bergeron or brad marchand

chara had the better year, but karlsson is not horrible at defense, nor is he a bad defenseman.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:10 PM   #987
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Will Arnett is the best
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:14 PM   #988
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Max Pacioretty's wife (and Maxim Afinogenov's sister) is a beauty

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Old 06-20-2012, 08:15 PM   #989
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he probably could PK, it just doesn't make sense from him to do so.

lmk when ottawa has two great goalies and an amazing defensive forward like patrice bergeron or brad marchand

chara had the better year, but karlsson is not horrible at defense, nor is he a bad defenseman.
I don't hate Karlsson at all. I view him as a great player. I just think that both Chara and Weber were more deserving. I'd even say a guy like Pietrangelo deserved it more.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:16 PM   #990
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ooh Selke time, i'll predict...

Bergeron.

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Old 06-20-2012, 08:17 PM   #991
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:17 PM   #992
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Nobody supports you in Quebec, fu Bergeron
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:19 PM   #993
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the Masterton always seems pretty random, i'll go with...

Lupul.

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Old 06-20-2012, 08:20 PM   #995
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:21 PM   #996
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:21 PM   #997
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how is playing good defense an arbitrary part of being a defenseman? jfc
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Karlsson plays good defense because he never has to.
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HFBoards would actually make a case for Karlsson rather than spout off a weak retort.


Chara was 3rd in the NHL for plus minus. Karlsson was 48th. Is plus/minus the end all for rating a players value? Of course not..just like points aren't for Karlsson. Unfortunately Karlsson excells in no other areas other than offense. He can't PK and he's an average defender.
Plus/Minus? Seriously? Karlsson had a great season, and him winning the Norris isn't bad. Whatever, I've had this discussion before with people like you. Citing +/- is a huge red flag that it's not worth wasting my time.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:23 PM   #998
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I don't hate Karlsson at all. I view him as a great player. I just think that both Chara and Weber were more deserving. I'd even say a guy like Pietrangelo deserved it more.
Chara? Fine. Weber? No way. He wasn't close in bulk stats, GVT, or possession numbers.
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:26 PM   #999
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Anyone who thinks Chara or Weber should have won should watch more hockey games next year...
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Old 06-20-2012, 08:27 PM   #1000
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Plus/Minus? Seriously? Karlsson had a great season, and him winning the Norris isn't bad. Whatever, I've had this discussion before with people like you. Citing +/- is a huge red flag that it's not worth wasting my time.
Where did I say he didn't have a great season? Whether or not you agree with me and my points is one thing, but you've done nothing to prove why you believe Karlsson is deserving.

"He had a great year"
pointzzzzzz!!!!!!


Plus/minus is far perfect which is I said it wasn't the end all, but to act like it isn't an indicator of a player's overall ability is just stupid.
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