You just want this so toronto will get a team with a chance.

Goose with some tremendous emotional hedging

Is it HRR? Zero chance Fehr lets it happen.

If its not HRR, zero chance owners let it happen. Cuts in too much into centerice/gate receipts.

Ranking top goalies OAT is impossible because different eras are so hard to compare. Having said that, this is a decent attempt with only one glaring error IMO - Brodeur belongs nowhere on this list. Replace him with Parent is the first thought that comes to me.

LMAO. Thanks for the laughs.

OKC is a one line team. The Oilers still have a massive gap in dmen prospects, which I assume translates to OKC.

Schultz is now at 42pts in 29 games. Same with Eberle. Hall is creeping up at 29pts in 21 games.

[ ] was running good
[x] keeping the pace
[x] eberle is the pace setter

Also two guys with the name TJ in the top 14 of AHL scoring. Elite hockey name.

There have been people who have normalized SV% similar to ERA+ or OPS+ in baseball. It really wouldn't be as hard as you'd think.

Regarding the goalies it goes something like this;


Modern Era

1. Brodeur
2. Roy
3. Hasek
4. Belfour
5. Cujo


Original 6 era

1. Plante
2. Sawchuk
3. Bower


Other eras

1. Tretiak
2. Dryden


So there are 10

Dryden has the most insane record of any goalie ever, like 220-60, but that was lol Montreal 70s.

None of Thomas, Lundqvist, Quick, etc come close to the 5 I have listed in the modern era yet.

....assuming you could find reliable shot data. i think shots weren't tracked before the early 80's.

Maybe, would be interesting to see something like that. But the eras are still so different, I'm pretty sure that most modern era goalies are better than anyone who played 50 years ago as they are bigger, faster, better technique etc. Sorting by SV% would be interesting but would still be far from the full story. Even in this ERA, sorting by SV% makes Brodeur look a helluva lot better than he really is.

Shooters are obviously better today, equipment is better, goalies used to not wear masks, the game just looked so different and I would take any comparison between eras with many grains of salt.

Source?

Pretty lol that a guy can have the most shutouts and wins ever, 3 Stanley Cups, can help his team in ways casual viewers don't even understand with his puckhandling and game calling, and on top of this all he has the bs statsfans stats like a great SV%; and yet he still "looks better than he really is."

Brodeur's the best goalie ever and people who argue otherwise don't know hockey.

The only argument against Brodeur you can possibly make is Roy's 3 Conn Smythes to Brodeur's 0.

I'll find a link, but no it doesn't. Brodeur was average iirc. They adjust it to how much better/worse the player was than league average that year and through the span of their careers.

Edit: http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/0...ery-long-time/

Stanley Cups and wins are 100% team stats, using them to make a case for Brodeur is weak sauce. Shutouts (to a lesser extent but still) fall into the same category.

You can start with this article, don't forget to click on the link for part 2.

http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.ca/2...ix-potvin.html

That site has a bunch of other articles on the subject but that's a good place to start and does a good job explaining how Brodeur was in the right place at the right time. Was there ever in the entire history of the NHL some place that made a goalie look better than NJ when Brodeur was there? I doubt it.

I think Brodeur was really good. Perhaps he belongs in the conversation of top 10 all-time but when people say stuff like he is clearly the GOAT ...

In this era, would snap-take Hasek, Roy and Belfour as the top 3. Then I start to think about who I take next and probably end up taking Brodeur and wondering if I made the right choice.

Please post a link if you find it, I would be very interested!

Lol belfour isn't top 3 modern era.

Grunching here, but it's almost impossible to compare goalies across eras. Goalie equipment has changed dramatically, and the standup style is basically nonexistent today. For modern era though, Hasek > Roy > Brodeur

He was consistently near the top of SV% leaders during his time. Would have to look deeper to check for biased shot counting, but he's pretty damn good.

He was good, but top 3 is pretty damn high.

Actually, ya, you're right. He's not a clear #3 like Hasek and Roy are clear at 1 and 2. There are some other guys who are in the same tier as Belfour. Including Brodeur imo. Longetivity is a skill.

The other problem with a SV%+ stat for old timers is that I don't think it was kept in the 70s, though I could be wrong

Getting a feeling that the lockout will end later tonight

have to reserve a spot for lundqvist ldo.

We need to bring back old school goaltending styles and equipment. Watching old video makes me die laughing. The two legged fall backwards and sprawl is elite.

I love this guy

nope. PA has to make a counter offer that the NHL will reject, and there'll be a mexican standoff for a few more days.