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Old 11-27-2012, 08:36 PM   #6776
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like it's killing the Rays
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:48 PM   #6777
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like it's killing the Rays
different circumstances, but the Rays aren't doing great either afaik
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:53 PM   #6778
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anyway my point wasn't that Don Fehr signed an agreement to kill the Expos, but the strike he led was a significant factor in the firesale that ensued and the decreasing attendance until the death of the Expos and saying that "the strike had very little effect" is a laughable statement.

you can even see it in the attendance numbers he posted. In 1991, Expos got a new ownership group and the attendance doubled the following year and then grew again in 1994 only to drop by 4k/game in 1995. That's not a coincidence. The strike killed all the goodwill the team was building with its fan base.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:54 PM   #6779
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Somehow MLB has managed almost 20 years without a strike or lockout, so someone there must've been suffering him.
lol Wikipedia but pretty sure it's valid:

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With the NHL locking out at midnight on September 15, 2012, Fehr has become the only Executive Director to be directly involved in work stoppages in two sports. Six of the eight contract negotiations he has been involved in have resulted in work stoppages, including five consecutive negotiations between the MLBPA and Major League Baseball.
And yeah, I'm sure the 2002 crisis was a lot of fun for everyone involved.

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yeah i'm sure it's not the guy who's been a constant through the 3 of these...
Where did I say he was absolved of blame?
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:00 PM   #6780
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A mediator can step between Stuart and Bettman before they come to blows.
Am I the only guy who would pay money to see this?
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:00 PM   #6781
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anyway my point wasn't that Don Fehr signed an agreement to kill the Expos, but the strike he led was a significant factor in the firesale that ensued and the decreasing attendance until the death of the Expos and saying that "the strike had very little effect" is a laughable statement.

you can even see it in the attendance numbers he posted. In 1991, Expos got a new ownership group and the attendance doubled the following year and then grew again in 1994 only to drop by 4k/game in 1995. That's not a coincidence. The strike killed all the goodwill the team was building with its fan base.
Expos record in 1994: 74-40
Expos record in 1995: 66-78

boy I wonder why attendance dropped so much
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:03 PM   #6782
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of course they sucked, they had to trade every good player and non-tender Larry Walker because they lost too much money because of the strike
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:08 PM   #6783
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of course they sucked, they had to trade every good player and non-tender Larry Walker because they lost too much money because of the strike
and if that's the case, they were operating on a razor thin margin and couldn't afford those players anyway. the strike shouldn't've cost them money beyond what they would have made in the playoffs, which could have been a lot but which also could have been 2 or 3 home games (afaik 94 was the first wild card year). and if you have to make the playoffs in baseball to afford your players you're screwed because making the playoffs is really hard.

look the 94 strike was the WOAT thing to happen to me sports-wise and i really stayed away from baseball for 10 years because of it, but i'm not buying that the strike killed the expos. hurt, yes, killed, no.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:08 PM   #6784
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Expos record in 1994: 74-40
Expos record in 1995: 66-78

boy I wonder why attendance dropped so much
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:12 PM   #6785
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lol Wikipedia but pretty sure it's valid:
baseball hasn't missed a game since 1995. before that iirc it hadn't missed a game since 1981. it came close in 2002 but didn't get there. so yes, there may have been work stoppages, but they didn't result in games missed.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:12 PM   #6786
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I'll bump this thread and re-visit this discussion in 2016 when Jonah Keri releases his book "The Definitive History of the Montreal Expos".
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:43 PM   #6787
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Game 1 of the 2008 pit/nyr game is on the NHL network right now. Gomez playing like a beast, and ties it up 4-4 with 10 mins left!!! Man if any team could get gomez from them in a trade, they would be an instant contender for sure!!

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Old 11-27-2012, 10:10 PM   #6788
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I'll bump this thread and re-visit this discussion in 2016 when Jonah Keri releases his book "The Definitive History of the Montreal Expos".
I was listening to McCown one day a few weeks ago and they said something like there is or would be a book and the facts of the cabal actively setting out to destroy the Expos would sicken.

It looked so much like destiny that year, it was a huge blow, just massive. And the team was never the same.

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Old 11-28-2012, 12:41 AM   #6789
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The rat's boo hooing about the Nats leaving that loser city again eh? Yawn.
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:53 AM   #6790
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The Expos was a conspiracy by left winged American syndicates to remove patriotism from Canada in an attempt to lower the dollar value.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:12 AM   #6791
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The NHL and NHLPA hold winning tickets in the $500m powerball lottery, but can't decide how to split it, so they're throwing them away.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:59 PM   #6792
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Lidstrom's not even cold in the ground yet....

Super drunk tinky winky:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=410435
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:03 PM   #6793
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Deport him back to Canada!!!! Goddamn illegals!
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:13 PM   #6794
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All jokes aside, .30 is impressive. I've played the "race to .1" with a breathalyzer at a party, and that takes work. .2 is falling over/puking drunk.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:14 PM   #6795
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.30 as Tinky Winky. Sounds like a rookie party or something. You do not see that every day.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:40 PM   #6796
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Meanwhile, in Russian youth hockey...

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Old 11-28-2012, 04:07 PM   #6797
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LOL

If the strike killed the Expos, why would it take 3 ****ing years for their attendance to change dramatically? Yeah, the strike lowered attendance a bit, but no where near a significant level to call it a killer of the Expos. Getting 10k fans a game for years is what killed your terrible baseball team that for some reason people in Montreal only starting giving a **** about after they left as if their team was improperly taken (unlike the Sonics and Whalers, which were moved far more hastily.)


The Expos also left 10 years after the strike. They bled to death. It wouldn't have taken so long if the strike really had such a horrible impact. Baseball in Canada just isn't very sustainable.

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Old 11-28-2012, 04:46 PM   #6798
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If the strike killed the Expos, why would it take 3 ****ing years for their attendance to change dramatically? Yeah, the strike lowered attendance a bit, but no where near a significant level to call it a killer of the Expos. Getting 10k fans a game for years is what killed your terrible baseball team that for some reason people in Montreal only starting giving a **** about after they left as if their team was improperly taken (unlike the Sonics and Whalers, which were moved far more hastily.)


The Expos also left 10 years after the strike. They bled to death. It wouldn't have taken so long if the strike really had such a horrible impact. Baseball in Canada just isn't very sustainable.
mainly because they have a far more entertaining game. As much as I love baseball, **** can get tedious.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:13 PM   #6799
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Man sylar, that video has to be like porn to Don Cherry (if you replace the Russians with Canadians of course). Everyone should at least check out 4:30 in the video.

Btw, can you put me in contact with the girl from the video? The one where there's 4 girls dancing, second from the right. Thanks.





Now with helpful screenshot.

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Old 11-28-2012, 06:24 PM   #6800
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are you ok with sergey bobrovsky's sloppy seconds?

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