Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Sporting Events Discussion centered around sporting events.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-27-2012, 01:08 PM   #6751
DevinLake
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
DevinLake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 17,019
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geddy Lee View Post
I know we're all piling on Dreger right now, but did anyone read his series of RT's from Jamal Mayers? What's the percentage of players that are this militant about the PA's position?

This whole thing just seems so unnecessary to me. I sincerely hope they lose fans and prospective sponsorship opportunities because of this.
I did, but I don't use twitter that much and can't really understand twitter speak.
DevinLake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 01:29 PM   #6752
Ketter
grinder
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 403
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaos4k View Post
There $189 million apart. If the season is canceled, everyone involved is pants on head ******ed.
And your point is?
Ketter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 01:45 PM   #6753
DevinLake
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
DevinLake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 17,019
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

I think his point is that if the season is cancelled, everyone involved is pants on head ******ed because they aren't far apart.

That's my interpretation anyway.
DevinLake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 01:58 PM   #6754
Triumph36
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Triumph36's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Osi Ukin'-yora
Posts: 40,914
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketter View Post
I don't know WTF is going on. I for one would not be surprised if the season was called off though. Obviously this would be extremely ******ed but I can see it happening.

What about all you guys who just a week or two ago were saying the season will go on for sure, or like 95% sure. Am I still being paranoid or is anyone else starting to think the season could be lost?
you are being paranoid. the only thing that will cancel a season now is arguing over just how much revenue is being lost by continuing the lockout. the season was canceled on february 15th - that's two and a half months from now.

i'm more optimistic about mediation after what nootka and niss said but also it appears to be a kind of concession on the NHL's part. now why would they make this concession? because they are afraid of decertification. they want to get talks going - maybe they throw a few things the NHLPA's way and this gets settled soon.
Triumph36 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 02:32 PM   #6755
unicorn_lord
Pooh-Bah
 
unicorn_lord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Right behind you... you smell good.
Posts: 4,523
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaos4k View Post
There $189 million apart. If the season is canceled, everyone involved is pants on head ******ed.
What are they now? Just Pants on head normal?
unicorn_lord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 02:44 PM   #6756
TJay
veteran
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,624
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Conspiracy theory: NHL needed a year off in order to sort Phoenix / Quebec / Seattle out, and is intentionally tanking a season to do just that.
TJay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 02:51 PM   #6757
sylar
Ivan Drago's homeslice
 
sylar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Znaroks fan club
Posts: 20,311
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Meanwhile...
Spoiler:
sylar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 02:53 PM   #6758
niss
Wood
 
niss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Woodmere
Posts: 16,142
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triumph36 View Post
i'm more optimistic about mediation after what nootka and niss said but also it appears to be a kind of concession on the NHL's part. now why would they make this concession? because they are afraid of decertification. they want to get talks going - maybe they throw a few things the NHLPA's way and this gets settled soon.
Another reason I think they agreed is that it's bad PR for them not to agree when the PA has been expressing its interest in mediating.
niss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 03:11 PM   #6759
miller62
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 94
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by niss View Post
Another reason I think they agreed is that it's bad PR for them not to agree when the PA has been expressing its interest in mediating.
this is the reason they accepted imo. they turn it down and they take a beating in the media for 'not being willing to negotiate' while not gaining anything, or they accept it and then nothing really changes.
miller62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 03:18 PM   #6760
Ketter
grinder
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 403
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake View Post
I think his point is that if the season is cancelled, everyone involved is pants on head ******ed because they aren't far apart.

That's my interpretation anyway.
Yeah I understood that. I was my unsuccessful attempt at sarcasm - IMO both sides are proven ******s anyhow based on past performance so present performance should come as a surprise to anyone. If the whole season was lost, it wouldn't surprise me a ton.
Ketter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 03:19 PM   #6761
GusJohnsonGOAT
SESwamiGOAT
 
GusJohnsonGOAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 15,363
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TJay View Post
Conspiracy theory: NHL needed a year off in order to sort Phoenix / Quebec / Seattle out, and is intentionally tanking a season to do just that.
Nah, it was definitely to avoid the ASG in Columbus.
GusJohnsonGOAT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 03:19 PM   #6762
WhiteGoose
confirmed loose
 
WhiteGoose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 13,158
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TJay View Post
Conspiracy theory: NHL needed a year off in order to sort Phoenix / Quebec / Seattle out, and is intentionally tanking a season to do just that.
WhiteGoose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 03:37 PM   #6763
Nootka
Pooh-Bah
 
Nootka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Santa Monica
Posts: 5,655
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triumph36 View Post
i'm more optimistic about mediation after what nootka and niss said but also it appears to be a kind of concession on the NHL's part. now why would they make this concession? because they are afraid of decertification. they want to get talks going - maybe they throw a few things the NHLPA's way and this gets settled soon.
Definitely could be a concession based on fear of decert. It also just could be that the NHL thinks that Fehr is being a hindrance by being unreasonable or withholding things from his clients. A mediator can be useful at cutting through some of that garbage. So it could just be the NHL looking for help getting past an impasse.
Nootka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 03:44 PM   #6764
Geddy Lee
Good Ol' Canadian Boy
 
Geddy Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Obi-Sean, you're our only hope
Posts: 25,361
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

I have a feeling Fehr would be the most insufferable negotiator ever.
Geddy Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 03:51 PM   #6765
miller62
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 94
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

i don't really understand this decertifying. if that happens, are we basically screwed with regards to having a season this year?
miller62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 04:19 PM   #6766
Triumph36
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Triumph36's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Osi Ukin'-yora
Posts: 40,914
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by miller62 View Post
i don't really understand this decertifying. if that happens, are we basically screwed with regards to having a season this year?
No. The NBA filed for decertification and within two weeks the union had reached an agreement with the league. The question is will the NHL fight it hard? I don't think so, but they have to say they will.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geddy Lee View Post
I have a feeling Fehr would be the most insufferable negotiator ever.
Somehow MLB has managed almost 20 years without a strike or lockout, so someone there must've been suffering him.
Triumph36 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 04:23 PM   #6767
Vagos
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Vagos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 40,963
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Triumph36 View Post
No. The NBA filed for decertification and within two weeks the union had reached an agreement with the league. The question is will the NHL fight it hard? I don't think so, but they have to say they will.
Did the NBA actually decertify though? I didn't follow the NBA negotations at all really. The NFL union decertified I think in their recent lockout? But IIRC, they did it almost immediately in the lockout process and so there was more time for the legal maneuvering to take shape.
Vagos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 04:24 PM   #6768
El Rata
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
El Rata's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 31,717
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Don Fehr killed the Expos so **** that mother****er in his mother****ing ass.
El Rata is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 04:30 PM   #6769
Triumph36
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Triumph36's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Osi Ukin'-yora
Posts: 40,914
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vagos View Post
Did the NBA actually decertify though? I didn't follow the NBA negotations at all really. The NFL union decertified I think in their recent lockout? But IIRC, they did it almost immediately in the lockout process and so there was more time for the legal maneuvering to take shape.
I don't think the NHL union would decertify permanently. They would do so to expedite the bargaining process. I believe the NFL union did decertify and filed an antitrust lawsuit but was eventually denied, and obviously they too reformed.
Triumph36 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 06:46 PM   #6770
Bryant Reeves
Pooh-Bah
 
Bryant Reeves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 5,139
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geddy Lee View Post
I have a feeling Fehr would be the most insufferable negotiator ever.
yeah i'm sure it's not the guy who's been a constant through the 3 of these...
Bryant Reeves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 06:54 PM   #6771
Hammerhands
Pooh-Bah
 
Hammerhands's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 4,989
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

A mediator can step between Stuart and Bettman before they come to blows.

MS: Tell that puny horned thief he owes me 4 million dollars, not a penny less.
GB: You tell that troglodyte he's the poster child for inflationary stupidity.
Hammerhands is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 07:09 PM   #6772
GusJohnsonGOAT
SESwamiGOAT
 
GusJohnsonGOAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 15,363
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Rata View Post
Don Fehr killed the Expos so **** that mother****er in his mother****ing ass.
lol. Montreal killed the Expos. They were routinely getting less than 10k people at their games. They never averaged over 30k, which is pretty terrible. Even the Marlins average over 30k during their heyday. Even after the strike they were averaging close to what they normally average. After '97 they really dropped off, and they didn't move until 2004. Fehr really had nothing to do with it since the strike had very little effect, and they had plenty of time to recover.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/montattn.shtml
GusJohnsonGOAT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 07:21 PM   #6773
Kirbynator
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Kirbynator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 52,005
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

the fact that baseball is boring and nobody cares killed the expos
Kirbynator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 07:36 PM   #6774
El Rata
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
El Rata's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 31,717
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GusJohnsonGOAT View Post
since the strike had very little effect
LOL
El Rata is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 08:33 PM   #6775
Triumph36
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Triumph36's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Osi Ukin'-yora
Posts: 40,914
Re: Bettman Lockout III Thread (aka NHL Offseason: Now & Forever)

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Rata View Post
LOL
he's right, no matter what myths Expos fans tell themselves. Strike didn't help, but lol at it killing the Expos - poor attendance killed the Expos.
Triumph36 is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive