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Originally Posted by 72off
KHL players with NHL contracts, probably not, no
i assume AHL players are fine seeing as how the NHL has consented to them being assigned to the AHL.
i am just speaking to the fact that it's the owner's ranch, and the players are the cattle. or rather indentured servants. anyone who is on ownership side is probably a slave owner at heart.
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yeah pretty much, but i guess if your contract says you're AHL eligible then that's where you're playing (unless the NHL allows you to play in Europe). now that i think about it, i guess they're compelled to play in the AHL, otherwise we might have heard something about solidarity strikes or something by now? i know a few guys aren't playing, Skinner is one, might be another but i forget, but permission from the Canes was needed there.
good, so you agree that it's ridiculous to NOT let guys who are not compelled to play in the ahl also play in a new "non-yet ready" for NHL hockey arena. i was simply arguing selling out in brooklyn and barclays is now an nhl rinks ARE NOT the reason this is cancelled.
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i know hockey is big in Russia, i wasn't aware there are a lot of Russians in Brooklyn. but if you have an event like that, it's more than just selling out the game. it's intended to be a big event like the Winter Classic or something, i just don't feel like the public at large would really care, especially if there are no big NHL stars playing.
i'm saying that the game would almost certainly sell out, but that's not the point. i don't think they're flying a couple teams over for a one-off game to sell out a rink, they want it to be a ZOMG BIG DEAL event on national TV and such. without NHL stars that has little to no chance of happening.
the two clubs who would be playing went 7 games in the final last year. it would be a big game regardless. i know it doesn't live up to your standards of it's-not-a-big-game-unless-nhlers-are-playing-and-shown-on-north-american-tv, but it would be a big game.
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
Cody Hodgson and other AHL'ers are not locked out at all. They were assigned to their AHL teams the day before the lockout.
AHL teams can practice and play in the NHL buildings and practice facilities. The NHL'ers have to pay for ice time at the practice facilities out of their own pocket...and they are not allowed to wear their team's logo on the ice because they are currently not representing them...they are locked out. Blah blah blah.
Fwiw, injured nhl'ers from the end of last season arent locked out either. I guess they can't be with insurance, etc. So they can use the workout facilities if their teams like normal is my understanding. A guy like Pronger for example.
so, it's my ranch and only my indentured servants can play there, and if i say they can't, they shouldn't be allowed to play anywhere. gotcha. sounds fair.
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Ovechkin and others skipped outta the country to play with other leagues completed unaffiliated with the NHL.
guys like evander kane went over there as well (could he be assigned to AHL, similar to eberle, hall? i dunno). chara, rinne, backstrom, and a multitude of others. why are you calling out only everyone's one of two favorite GORBs in these matters?
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I don't think they want the locked out players in NHL arenas playing games with other teams. For example, if Fleury and Giroux and Talbot ever get their charity tour going, I don't think they will be able to do it at NHL arenas. Their exhibitions would have to be in other buildings.
ok, so barclays should be a-ok then. not an nhl building yet, and nhl will really only rent it like everyone else from 2015 to 2040.
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
72off, yes they are compelled to play in the AHL.
Burmistrov had a big offer to play in the KHL. he wanted to go there. And thought he was going there. Instead, Winnipeg ended up deciding to ship him to the AHL. that decision cost him a few mil. But his contract with Winnipeg is worth more than that for the future so he's stuck. Right now though he's probably making $80k or something in the AHL instead of $2-3M in the KHL in is hometown.
Skinner didn't want to play though and Carolina agreed that he could do what he wanted. Up until the lockout it was assumed he was going. They gave an open invite that he can show in Charlotte whenever he wants. Something like that. Sounds like they are being cooperative with him.
Delicate situations in a lot of places
Most are genuinely cool with being in the AHL though. For many, it sure beats having to decide IF they wantp to make the long move, WHERE they want to go and if they can land a spot there, etc.
They want to play. But yes, they also miss the big money. That's what one NHL'er told me when I said, "at least you don't have to move abroad. You're relatively close to home." "Yeah, that's definitely better...but I really like the big money, man." This was all casual convo and not an interview or anything. It was pretty funny. And you can't blame him.
interesting anecdote. so the owners are actively hurting the lockout players by COLLECTIVELY keeping them away from other sources of income, i.e. other leagues. yeah, i can totally see how this lockout is players being greedy.