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Old 05-16-2012, 01:00 AM   #376
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Yup, the "Richards and Carter too drunk" and "bad leaders" which was what "got them traded" stuff came directly from the team.
who cares about the media narratives after they were traded?

obv the team thought those deals were for the best, and tbh they did look pretty good.

they just idiotically wasted a bunch of money on an average goalie with the savings.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:22 AM   #377
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obv the team thought those deals were for the best
Holmgren didn't believe that. I'd be the family farm he didn't believe that. He looked like someone ran over his dog when he gave his first public comments.

That entire episode had Ed Snider written all over it.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:34 AM   #378
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Guys, what are we even talking about in here anymore? Can we please focus on the more important things?

Like how last week I found out that Paulina 2.0 has been

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I guess I'm finally experiencing it for the small town it is.

And no one up there wants to help me out or tell me where to go or what to do or who to talk to about finding a new girl.

It's going to be a fun summer
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:35 AM   #379
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if he ever decides to take the game as seriously as someone like Toews then lookout
Has this sort of thing ever happened for a player anyone made this kind of statement about?
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:41 AM   #380
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WG:

Stop talking to her. I'm not sure if you still have feelings, but if you do you're not gonna get over her if you keep talking to her. If you don't they might resurface if you keep talking to her.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:46 AM   #381
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Carter's too dumb to give any worthwhile quotes anyways. I guess the way he handled the CBJ trade was also an unfair portrayal? Because nothing says "I'm a stand-up guy" like refusing to report to your new team until you're coerced by your agent to address the situation publicly. Having said that, with that in mind I'll give Richards credit, because he faced the music about as well as anyone could've expected, given that fallout.

But sometimes idiots are actually idiots, douchebags are actually douchebags, and a spade is a actually spade. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.



This is a mighty large assumption that avoids the real issue at play: supplementary discipline makes it a story. Kane didn't get a virtual pass after the cab incident. Why? Because there were repercussions.
couldn't agree with more on this one. well said.

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Holmgren didn't believe that. I'd be the family farm he didn't believe that. He looked like someone ran over his dog when he gave his first public comments.

That entire episode had Ed Snider written all over it.
pretty sure Snider had enough of their antics and was probably like. " **** it i dont care just get them out of here!" The trade in reality didn't turn out too bad and we wouldnt even be talking about it still had the Kings not snuck into the playoffs and then started to play lights out from there on in.

also, this is probably my favorite from the P Kane Photoshop contest.

http://deadspin.com/5909568/here-are...test/gallery/4
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:49 AM   #382
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I don't Pripto. I don't still have feelings.

But I need some action. I need a girl to make love to, take out, have fun with, and cuddle by the fire at night. And as of right now, every single girl I know has a 0% chance of wanting that with me, whereas she has maybe a 1 or 2% chance of wanting that, if the night is right and things go the right way.

Of course ideally I'd find another, better, hotter girl. But I don't know where to look. No one I'm talking to knows where to look. And they're all giving me this bs like "you have to wait," "it will happen when it happens," "be patient," "you can't go searching," and other deterrents.

So I don't know what to do.

But I am WhiteGoose

AND I WILL TAKE WHAT IS MINE.
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:33 AM   #383
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I guess the way he handled the CBJ trade was also an unfair portrayal? Because nothing says "I'm a stand-up guy" like refusing to report to your new team until you're coerced by your agent to address the situation publicly.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/f...gren-lied.html

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The shocking part is that Carter and Holmgren met face-to-face earlier in the week, to discuss the apparent rumors, and Holmgren re-assured Carter he was not being moved.
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This is a mighty large assumption that avoids the real issue at play: supplementary discipline makes it a story. Kane didn't get a virtual pass after the cab incident. Why? Because there were repercussions.
You're probably right that I'm making a bit of a leap but I think there's still a huge double standard.
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:36 AM   #384
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who cares about the media narratives after they were traded?
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lol cwice!

the media was out to get Wet Island?
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ETA: A lot of the crap popped up before they were traded too.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:11 AM   #385
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look, my only point is, i've talked plenty about roman cervenka lately, and the same people who talk about the russian factor about every single russian khl prospect, seem to love cervenka, when he is basically a lesser, more risky version of radulov.
Dont get me wrong Radulov > Cervenka definitely on pure hockey skills, there arent many hockey players in the world more skilled than Radulov. I dont deny he has the heart to play injured, that has nothing to do with my assesment, I'm just saying he isnt right in the head and is incapable of not tooling out for a prolonged period of time
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:15 AM   #386
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Also regarding Cervenka's salary, I see his cap hit listed as 3.75m, but in an interview he said a lot of it is bonuses, his base salary is 850k + signing bonus and rest of it is incentives for points and games played, some of them very hard to reach
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:38 AM   #387
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the media was out to get 2 guys nobody really cares about in Nashville?
the media made Trotz suspend them for the 2nd game?

this is pathetic...
uh, yeah, as it's been reported by numerous sources that members of the media were the ones who told on Radulov and Kostitsyn to Nashville management in the first place. which is so lol, i'm sure they would do it if shane doan (or insert GOCB here) were out there.
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:52 PM   #388
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yeah well i guess i'm the only one who doesn't claim to know the inner-workings of every NHL team in the league based on reading twitter...

it's just such HF garbage that i don't have the time for.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:06 PM   #389
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yeah well i guess i'm the only one who doesn't claim to know the inner-workings of every NHL team in the league based on reading twitter...

it's just such HF garbage that i don't have the time for.
i didn't read this on twitter. larry brooks reported this in his column, and i can't remember the other source i read, that a member of the media told a member of the nashville front office before game 2.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:09 PM   #390
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yeah well i guess i'm the only one who doesn't claim to know the inner-workings of every NHL team in the league based on reading twitter...

it's just such HF garbage that i don't have the time for.
well maybe you shouldn't make claims such as 'lol x' or 'this is pathetic' when you don't know what you're talking about
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i didn't read this on twitter. larry brooks reported this in his column, and i can't remember the other source i read, that a member of the media told a member of the nashville front office before game 2.
and obv context is irrelevant

and the media forced the hand of Trotz/Poile, nothing else they could do there, right? they were powerless to do anything else.

btw, i thought the official story was that the media member(s) saw Radulov & Kostitsyn the night before Game 2, but Trotz/Poile didn't learn about it until after Game 2, hence the suspensions for Games 3 & 4.

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well maybe you shouldn't make claims such as 'lol x' or 'this is pathetic' when you don't know what you're talking about
ah yeah, twitter expert on the scene...
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Radulov isn't the first egocentric selfish star who'll fall out of relevance because he can't behave, nor will he be the last.

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I'm digging the thinly-veiled Roenick comparison!

What stereotype does Pavel Datsyuk belong to? If you're good enough and you're not a moron, you transcend stereotypes.

I'm not going to feel sympathetic for these guys. They make too much ****ing money for me to cry about their portrayal by the press. And I understand this is a sensitive topic for you, but I cannot stress this enough: I couldn't care less where he's from.
luckily for datsyuk, (and unfortunately for the narrative), datsyuk was on a team chock-full of hall-of-famers, and won just enough before he could be called enigmatic. and seriously, besides him, almost every russian, no matter how good, has to fight that moniker. either they like vodka too much, or they are too lazy, or they want too much money, or they make too much money, or they like scoring too much, or they don't backcheck like gretzky (who never backchecked btw).

seriously, richards/carter/kane/roenick are celebrated when they do something good, and slapped on the wrist when they do something bad. they never become the stereotype. why is that? kane for example, didn't miss as much as a preseason game.
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lol, no one has ever said "backcheck like gretzky" and meant it as a good thing.

Kane should be suspended for going out and partying in the regular season? was it even a game night? was he out too late? in any case, it was up to the team and they took whatever action they felt appropriate.

and actually i do remember Roenick getting suspended by the Coyotes (i think) one game in Vancouver when he was a healthy scratch or something, instead of going up to the pressbox and watching from there like a good boy, he went across the street to The Keg and get a steak (and watched the game on TV).

and if "celebrated" you mean "traded", then i guess you're right about Wet Island. you're losing it, man...

re: Radulov/Kostitsyn

i think every player i've seen talking about that has said that no breaking curfew by an hour isn't a huge thing (and pretty meaningless in the regular season), but it's just really dumb to do in the playoffs. it's a team rule, and other guys just wouldn't think of doing it. it's just stupid and selfish to not be a professional, shows they don't care. some ppl thought it was worth a suspension, others didn't, up to the team. (btw other stuff i've seen from players seem to indicate that if their teammates didn't want them suspended, they probably wouldn't have been)

so whatever, they get benched for a game, they go back to their regular pre-deadline Preds team, play "Preds hockey", give up nothing and win 2-0. then they stick with the lineup bc you don't change a winning formula, and all that. i'm sure they would have liked to put Radulov back in (who cares about AK tho, he kinda sucks anyway). then they lose Game 4, put 'em back in, lose Game 5. w/e, gg.

and whether you like it or not, there do seem to be cultural differences between most Russian players and basically any other. like how often do you see any of these things come up with Swedes, Finns, etc? maybe sometimes with Czechs or Slovaks, but less so. i don't know why that is, but there seem to be a greater % of "problem children" hailing from Russia.
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i know, right!!! the narrative just writes itself!
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:35 PM   #396
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no, the stories write themselves. two players broke team rules, so they were suspended by their team. butnahhh, just GORB innocent escape GOATS, amirite?

teams must hate goals so they don't want any Russians, right?
how come the media aren't chasing players back to Sweden or some such?
i'm sorry that these things are based in reality, brah. i know this must be hard...

(but at least the KHL is the better for it, so you got that going for you)
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lol reality. all players break team rules from time to time. the narrative is what lazy sportswriters do to validate their older articles and make themselves look better. they've beat up on someone 10 times already, it's almost expected they'll write the same thing about the same guy. every single page 2 guy on espn has made a career with that blueprint. (not necessarily hockey and russians, but something analogous).

swedes/finns/czechs have been in this league longer. when they first came in, the same BS was written about selanne, forsberg, jagr. now they are accepted, and it's the russians who are relative newcomers. it doesn't help their image that there's a whole other league competing for their services. that just adds to the narrative. why not just call the NHL what it is, a monopoly? where is that article?
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Personally I would like to see more media coverage whenever a player cheats with his teammate's wife. They need to start doling out suspensions for that ****. What Phaneuf and Carter did to Conroy and Hartnell is more dishonorable than Bertuzzi on Moore. 50 game suspensions IMO !
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uh, yeah, as it's been reported by numerous sources that members of the media were the ones who told on Radulov and Kostitsyn to Nashville management in the first place. which is so lol, i'm sure they would do it if shane doan (or insert GOCB here) were out there.
Of all the players to pick, you bring up uber-Christian family man Shane Doan, probably the one Coyote who doesn't take advantage of the epic situation he's in. wp sir.

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luckily for datsyuk, (and unfortunately for the narrative), datsyuk was on a team chock-full of hall-of-famers, and won just enough before he could be called enigmatic. and seriously, besides him, almost every russian, no matter how good, has to fight that moniker. either they like vodka too much, or they are too lazy, or they want too much money, or they make too much money, or they like scoring too much, or they don't backcheck like gretzky (who never backchecked btw).
Larionov, Makarov, Fetisov, Mogilny, Yushkevich, Kasparitis, Danny Markov, Konstantinov, none of these guys got painted with that megaxenophobic brush. The only contentious selection in that list is Mogilny because of his prickly relationship with the media (too intelligent for them) but he was absolutely loved up here in Toronto, as were the other two former Leafs I listed. Mogilny was the Leafs' version of Tony Fernandez, for the Torontonians itt who get the reference.

I'm not denying the stereotype exists but you're severely overestimating how many of these guys get stuck with the tag without doing anything at all to warrant it.

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seriously, richards/carter/kane/roenick are celebrated when they do something good, and slapped on the wrist when they do something bad. they never become the stereotype. why is that? kane for example, didn't miss as much as a preseason game.
We've got a stereotype for Kane and those who preceeded him. It's called the soft pretty boy prima donna *****. Remember when you used to not be able to win Cups with those guys? They're not exempt from being labelled either just because they're from here.
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dude, 2 players were suspended by their team for a 2nd round playoff game. when was the last time something like that happened? i can't even remember. you really don't expect the media to cover that story, and in a Phoenix-Nashville series of all things? get real. this isn't some anti-Russian propaganda at work here.

and Russians are relative newcomers to the NHL? they've been here for like 25 years bro. and i don't remember people saying anything bad about Igor Larionov when he got here. but Vladimir Krutov on the other hand? yeah he was a lazy fatass...

also don't remember Selanne getting any negative heat (except for maybe his hotdog celly), or Forsberg (except maybe for diving), Jagr...maybe. but it's not like ppl don't criticize Crosby or whoever. you remember Don Cherry ripping him his first couple years? there was so much public backlash against Crosby his rookie year for being a whiny, divey, spoiled brat that they put Todd [censored] Bertuzzi of all people on the 2006 Olympic team over him. they didn't even put him on the 3-man taxi squad, which existed for that tournament. must have been bc he was a lazy, greedy Russian, right?

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