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Old 07-14-2012, 12:27 AM   #2876
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Also **** the NHL owners and this save us from ourselves bs.
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:21 AM   #2877
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@RenLavoieRDS: NHL proposal to players: 1-reduce players hockey related revenues to 46% from 57 %. 2-10 seasons in NHL before being UFA.

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Old 07-14-2012, 01:45 AM   #2878
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but seriously 10 seasons wtfff

and can someone tell me what happens if they get rid of arbitration (is that the english word for it?) and a team doesnt sign its own player who cant become UFA?
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:59 AM   #2879
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I think the only other options are the offer-sheet, limbo or KHL.

This must transgress labour laws.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:18 AM   #2880
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Just got some game used Brooks Laich APXs in solid condition from the caps equipment sale for $80. They're real beauts
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:18 AM   #2881
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PA will come back with...

- Players share of revenues: 55%
- Free agency after six years.
- Contracts limited to 10 years.
- Salary arbitration stays.
- ELC's are four years.

IMO.
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Old 07-14-2012, 12:01 PM   #2882
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Just got some game used Brooks Laich APXs in solid condition from the caps equipment sale for $80. They're real beauts
Skates? That seems really cheap.
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Old 07-14-2012, 02:21 PM   #2883
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hopefully it's just a stupid starting point so they can settle at 50-52% for players, and reasonable stuff for everything else, as makes sense
that's clearly what it is. lol@ all the reporters freaking out about a starting demand in a negotiation.

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PA will come back with...

- Players share of revenues: 55%
- Free agency after six years.
- Contracts limited to 10 years.
- Salary arbitration stays.
- ELC's are four years.

IMO.
this is a lot closer to the final agreement than the players' opening counter, imo.
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Old 07-14-2012, 02:43 PM   #2884
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9.3m/year tied up in goalies tho.
i agree that if youre starting from scratch, you probably wouldnt want to spend that much on goalies. However, at this point, its just a sunken cost. Im pretty confident that having a goaltending tandem like that is more valuable than whatever package florida has to offer for luongo.
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:24 PM   #2885
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this is a lot closer to the final agreement than the players' opening counter, imo.
If the PA can keep their share of the revenue above 52%, the win everything.
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:55 PM   #2886
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i agree that if youre starting from scratch, you probably wouldnt want to spend that much on goalies. However, at this point, its just a sunken cost. Im pretty confident that having a goaltending tandem like that is more valuable than whatever package florida has to offer for luongo.
Would you really want to keep a goalie on your team after he said "it's time to move on"?

The Canucks have no choice; they have to trade him now.
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Old 07-14-2012, 04:15 PM   #2887
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Skates? That seems really cheap.
Yea man. The scrimmage was sweet. Galiev was the best player on the ice followed by Schilling. Travis boyd looked really solid too, Forsberg was skilled but physically immature. He definitely needs another 2 years or so.
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Old 07-14-2012, 04:25 PM   #2888
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kinda seems like there's been a deal in principle with Florida for a while, but maybe they were just waiting until he was done with the WSOP to announce it, have the presser, etc. either that or they're the only team with much interest, or the one team on his list.

but idk, regardless i'd say Luongo to Florida is like 99% to happen, now we just wait until the can agree on the return for him.
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Old 07-14-2012, 06:15 PM   #2889
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that's clearly what it is. lol@ all the reporters freaking out about a starting demand in a negotiation.
while i'm not really on the owners' side here (if you want to reduce players' % of HRR, go ahead, there's not a 'right side' in collective bargaining), i do think the league should be considering revenue sharing more significantly - the system they have now is set up so that the torontos and new yorks make an incredible amount of money regardless of what happens on the ice, and so that the phoenixs and floridas have no chance of making a profit. either introduce a luxury tax or get a better revenue sharing system.
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Old 07-14-2012, 06:58 PM   #2890
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Cam Janssen has this guy's jimmies fully rustled
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Old 07-14-2012, 07:21 PM   #2891
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Money quote:

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Goons get all the ****ing honorifics in hockey. So brave! So tough! So selfless! Bull****. Where is the ****ing honor in that? Where is the courage? What is so selfless and noble about sneaking up behind skill and destroying it? In fact, you know what? If anything, that sounds a bit like cowardice to me, because it’s doing a kind of harm to others that you never have to face yourself. Cam Janssen doesn’t have to worry about somebody leveling him while he’s carrying the puck because in the NHL Cam Janssen couldn’t carry the puck if they let him do it in a ****ing Easter basket.Oh sure, he’ll attack people face to face, when he can see punches coming and can hit back. He’ll fight people fairly. But the kind of unfair, non-consensual violence he’s talking about inflicting on others is the sort he doesn’t have to face himself, because he is a terrible hockey player who barely has the puck long enough to be vulnerable with it. He’s not a policeman. He’s a scavenger.
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Old 07-14-2012, 07:28 PM   #2892
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ouch.
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Old 07-14-2012, 07:57 PM   #2893
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a woman wrote that.
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:13 PM   #2894
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lol @ me, never looked at the author's name.
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:15 PM   #2895
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Would you really want to keep a goalie on your team after he said "it's time to move on"?

The Canucks have no choice; they have to trade him now.
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kinda seems like there's been a deal in principle with Florida for a while, but maybe they were just waiting until he was done with the WSOP to announce it, have the presser, etc. either that or they're the only team with much interest, or the one team on his list.

but idk, regardless i'd say Luongo to Florida is like 99% to happen, now we just wait until the can agree on the return for him.
I did a little research and didnt realize he was so insistent on leaving. It sucks, because i cant see a realistic deal thats a good and fair return. Would he even fetch a guy like versteeg? I guess draft picks might be ok, but the team is worse off in the short term, when they are built to be a contender.

edit: are there any rumors about who is being traded for?
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:17 PM   #2896
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:24 PM   #2897
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are there any rumors about who is being traded for?
haven't been following it all that closely either (bc lol @ learning anything about what's going on that way), but i saw some rumour that Gillis is insisting on getting someone like Huberdeau, whereas Tallon's position is one more of "lol you'll take what i give you". but Gillis has said all along that this might drag out for a while during the summer, so maybe it's like the CBA negotiations where neither side is prepared to get serious yet.
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:31 PM   #2898
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while i'm not really on the owners' side here (if you want to reduce players' % of HRR, go ahead, there's not a 'right side' in collective bargaining), i do think the league should be considering revenue sharing more significantly - the system they have now is set up so that the torontos and new yorks make an incredible amount of money regardless of what happens on the ice, and so that the phoenixs and floridas have no chance of making a profit. either introduce a luxury tax or get a better revenue sharing system.
The owners need to push for a delayed % drop. If you allow the players to have the salary cap be at $70m for next year. Then you slowly have the % drop every year until the desired 50% or whatever they agree on.

That way, both sides win, players get to keep their current increase and theoretically it can keep going up or staying relatively the same for the next 5 years until they get down to 50% or whatever.

At which point, once it levels at 50%, players will start getting raises again as revenues rise.

Expecting the players to take a huge rollback again is lol and unrealistic.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:27 PM   #2899
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yeah i mean i don't really know wtf the owners were doing letting their GM's spend as if there was going to be a $70m ceiling, when it was clear they were going to push for 48-50% of HRR which would leave it closer to $65m, and knowing that the players weren't about to take rollbacks again.

but as usual, prob lolowners, then just be dicks wrt to CBA negotiations bc you have all the leverage and don't care if there's no hockey.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:39 PM   #2900
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while i'm not really on the owners' side here (if you want to reduce players' % of HRR, go ahead, there's not a 'right side' in collective bargaining), i do think the league should be considering revenue sharing more significantly - the system they have now is set up so that the torontos and new yorks make an incredible amount of money regardless of what happens on the ice, and so that the phoenixs and floridas have no chance of making a profit. either introduce a luxury tax or get a better revenue sharing system.
Completely agree that it would be better for the league. It's interesting that it wasn't in the opening salvo by the owners. I wonder if that means there's enough of a split in the owners that it won't be pushed by them. I don't think the players will push for it either, but who knows.
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