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07-14-2012 , 12:27 AM

#2876

That_Guy

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Also **** the NHL owners and this save us from ourselves bs.

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07-14-2012 , 01:21 AM

#2877

Hammerhands

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Originally Posted by <3_Tha_Grind

@RenLavoieRDS: NHL proposal to players: 1-reduce players hockey related revenues to 46% from 57 %. 2-10 seasons in NHL before being UFA.

lol nhl

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07-14-2012 , 01:45 AM

#2878

Kirbynator

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but seriously 10 seasons wtfff

and can someone tell me what happens if they get rid of arbitration (is that the english word for it?) and a team doesnt sign its own player who cant become UFA?

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07-14-2012 , 01:59 AM

#2879

Hammerhands

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I think the only other options are the offer-sheet, limbo or KHL.

This must transgress labour laws.

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07-14-2012 , 09:18 AM

#2880

SenorMuresano

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Just got some game used Brooks Laich APXs in solid condition from the caps equipment sale for $80. They're real beauts

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07-14-2012 , 09:18 AM

#2881

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PA will come back with...

- Players share of revenues: 55%
- Free agency after six years.
- Contracts limited to 10 years.
- Salary arbitration stays.
- ELC's are four years.

IMO.

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07-14-2012 , 12:01 PM

#2882

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Originally Posted by SenorMuresano

Just got some game used Brooks Laich APXs in solid condition from the caps equipment sale for $80. They're real beauts

Skates? That seems really cheap.

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07-14-2012 , 02:21 PM

#2883

Nootka

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Originally Posted by Henrik Sedin

hopefully it's just a stupid starting point so they can settle at 50-52% for players, and reasonable stuff for everything else, as makes sense

that's clearly what it is. lol@ all the reporters freaking out about a starting demand in a negotiation.

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Originally Posted by bigdottawa

PA will come back with...

- Players share of revenues: 55%
- Free agency after six years.
- Contracts limited to 10 years.
- Salary arbitration stays.
- ELC's are four years.

IMO.

this is a lot closer to the final agreement than the players' opening counter, imo.

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07-14-2012 , 02:43 PM

#2884

AcTiOnJaCsOn

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9.3m/year tied up in goalies tho.

i agree that if youre starting from scratch, you probably wouldnt want to spend that much on goalies. However, at this point, its just a sunken cost. Im pretty confident that having a goaltending tandem like that is more valuable than whatever package florida has to offer for luongo.

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07-14-2012 , 03:24 PM

#2885

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Originally Posted by Nootka

this is a lot closer to the final agreement than the players' opening counter, imo.

If the PA can keep their share of the revenue above 52%, the win everything.

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07-14-2012 , 03:55 PM

#2886

_Mantis_

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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn

Would you really want to keep a goalie on your team after he said "it's time to move on"?

The Canucks have no choice; they have to trade him now.

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07-14-2012 , 04:15 PM

#2887

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Originally Posted by sylar

Skates? That seems really cheap.

Yea man. The scrimmage was sweet. Galiev was the best player on the ice followed by Schilling. Travis boyd looked really solid too, Forsberg was skilled but physically immature. He definitely needs another 2 years or so.

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07-14-2012 , 04:25 PM

#2888

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kinda seems like there's been a deal in principle with Florida for a while, but maybe they were just waiting until he was done with the WSOP to announce it, have the presser, etc. either that or they're the only team with much interest, or the one team on his list.

but idk, regardless i'd say Luongo to Florida is like 99% to happen, now we just wait until the can agree on the return for him.

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07-14-2012 , 06:15 PM

#2889

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Originally Posted by Nootka

that's clearly what it is. lol@ all the reporters freaking out about a starting demand in a negotiation.

while i'm not really on the owners' side here (if you want to reduce players' % of HRR, go ahead, there's not a 'right side' in collective bargaining), i do think the league should be considering revenue sharing more significantly - the system they have now is set up so that the torontos and new yorks make an incredible amount of money regardless of what happens on the ice, and so that the phoenixs and floridas have no chance of making a profit. either introduce a luxury tax or get a better revenue sharing system.

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07-14-2012 , 06:58 PM

#2890

El Rata

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Cam Janssen has this guy's jimmies fully rustled

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07-14-2012 , 07:21 PM

#2891

Redmen62

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Money quote:

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Goons get all the ****ing honorifics in hockey. So brave! So tough! So selfless! Bull****. Where is the ****ing honor in that? Where is the courage? What is so selfless and noble about sneaking up behind skill and destroying it? In fact, you know what? If anything, that sounds a bit like cowardice to me, because it’s doing a kind of harm to others that you never have to face yourself. Cam Janssen doesn’t have to worry about somebody leveling him while he’s carrying the puck because in the NHL Cam Janssen couldn’t carry the puck if they let him do it in a ****ing Easter basket.Oh sure, he’ll attack people face to face, when he can see punches coming and can hit back. He’ll fight people fairly. But the kind of unfair, non-consensual violence he’s talking about inflicting on others is the sort he doesn’t have to face himself, because he is a terrible hockey player who barely has the puck long enough to be vulnerable with it. He’s not a policeman. He’s a scavenger.

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07-14-2012 , 07:28 PM

#2892

sylar

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ouch.

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07-14-2012 , 07:57 PM

#2893

Triumph36

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Originally Posted by El Rata

Cam Janssen has this guy's jimmies fully rustled

a woman wrote that.

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07-14-2012 , 08:13 PM

#2894

El Rata

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lol @ me, never looked at the author's name.

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07-14-2012 , 08:15 PM

#2895

AcTiOnJaCsOn

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Originally Posted by _Mantis_

Would you really want to keep a goalie on your team after he said "it's time to move on"?

The Canucks have no choice; they have to trade him now.

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Originally Posted by Henrik Sedin

I did a little research and didnt realize he was so insistent on leaving. It sucks, because i cant see a realistic deal thats a good and fair return. Would he even fetch a guy like versteeg? I guess draft picks might be ok, but the team is worse off in the short term, when they are built to be a contender.

edit: are there any rumors about who is being traded for?

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07-14-2012 , 08:17 PM

#2896

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

a woman wrote that.

YOUR MOM'S A WOMAN

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07-14-2012 , 08:24 PM

#2897

Henrik Sedin

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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn

are there any rumors about who is being traded for?

haven't been following it all that closely either (bc lol @ learning anything about what's going on that way), but i saw some rumour that Gillis is insisting on getting someone like Huberdeau, whereas Tallon's position is one more of "lol you'll take what i give you". but Gillis has said all along that this might drag out for a while during the summer, so maybe it's like the CBA negotiations where neither side is prepared to get serious yet.

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07-14-2012 , 08:31 PM

#2898

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

The owners need to push for a delayed % drop. If you allow the players to have the salary cap be at $70m for next year. Then you slowly have the % drop every year until the desired 50% or whatever they agree on.

That way, both sides win, players get to keep their current increase and theoretically it can keep going up or staying relatively the same for the next 5 years until they get down to 50% or whatever.

At which point, once it levels at 50%, players will start getting raises again as revenues rise.

Expecting the players to take a huge rollback again is lol and unrealistic.

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07-14-2012 , 09:27 PM

#2899

Henrik Sedin

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yeah i mean i don't really know wtf the owners were doing letting their GM's spend as if there was going to be a $70m ceiling, when it was clear they were going to push for 48-50% of HRR which would leave it closer to $65m, and knowing that the players weren't about to take rollbacks again.

but as usual, prob lolowners, then just be dicks wrt to CBA negotiations bc you have all the leverage and don't care if there's no hockey.

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07-14-2012 , 09:39 PM

#2900

Nootka

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

Completely agree that it would be better for the league. It's interesting that it wasn't in the opening salvo by the owners. I wonder if that means there's enough of a split in the owners that it won't be pushed by them. I don't think the players will push for it either, but who knows.

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