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In what way would a second GTA team not be like The Clippers?

How are The Clippers doing now and how have they done historically? My impression is they are doing better, have been pretty empty in the past, will be empty in the future.

It appears they have had pretty good attendance since moving to The Staples Center.

the Clippers have one of the WOAT owners, and can't get rid of him. historically he's run his team like Harold Ballard, that's changed a bit lately now that they've gotten some good players that he hasn't run out of town. another GTA team would likely be one of the wealthiest teams in the league immediately (presuming they don't get stuck with AIDS ownership). obv that doesn't guarantee any kind of success, but it is an advantage of sorts, even in today's league.

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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929

Cool article I just read:

Dave Zirin: "Meet the Lockout Lawyers Destroying Sports"

thanks for that, interesting.

also in the context of Katz being a total [censored] about this arena deal in Edmonton (apparently talks have broken down again, and the city has stopped negotiating with him). he wants his free stadium like all his US owner buddies, but that hasn't really ever been a common practice up here. seems like Edmonton is bending to his whims a bit, but not breaking.

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10-17-2012 , 07:59 PM

#5527

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no, isles have multiple cups. we're talking franchise, not single owner.

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10-17-2012 , 08:09 PM

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wtf markov saying he doesnt know if he'd come back if the lockout ended

**** you?

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10-17-2012 , 08:10 PM

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Bluffers gonna bluff.

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10-17-2012 , 08:13 PM

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bluffing to what end? lol

prob a blessing in disguise if he doesn't come back tho, i mean he's obv gonna suffer at least 3 more knee injuries over the remaining 2 years of his contract...

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10-17-2012 , 08:15 PM

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Bluffing as in if you give us a bad deal we won't even bother coming back, dunno. Maybe he's just drunk, but there's 0 chance he passes on $11M to stay in mother Russia.

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10-17-2012 , 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

wtf markov saying he doesnt know if he'd come back if the lockout ended

**** you?

btw his brother said the same thing and i think he left in 2006 never to return. i could believe he is not bluffing

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10-17-2012 , 09:04 PM

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what a ****ing joke to say that after the last couple years when he was injured and pretty much got us ****ed

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10-17-2012 , 09:20 PM

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7 minutes left in the 2010 Olympic final between USA and Canada on TSN. Canada leads 2-1.

Don't tell me how it ends.

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10-17-2012 , 09:22 PM

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I just thought of something.
Dustin Penner goes the Ducks.
Ducks win cup.
Dustin Penner goes to the Kings.
Kings win cup.

Sharks, you know what you must do.

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10-17-2012 , 09:27 PM

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Kesler ends it in OT on a dump in misplayed by Luongo.

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10-17-2012 , 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by unicorn_lord

I just thought of something.
Dustin Penner goes the Ducks.
Ducks win cup.
Dustin Penner goes to the Kings.
Kings win cup.

Sharks, you know what you must do.

Sure didn't work for us...

I'm pretty Dustin Penner being on the Stanley Cup winner twice has about as much correlation as Ty Conklin being on 3 Heritage/Winter Classic teams.

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10-17-2012 , 09:56 PM

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Sure didn't work for us...

I'm pretty Dustin Penner being on the Stanley Cup winner twice has about as much correlation as Ty Conklin being on 3 Heritage/Winter Classic teams.

Well, it's EDM. You can only cover up for so much fail.

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10-17-2012 , 10:07 PM

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EDM is what the kids are calling techno these days.

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10-17-2012 , 10:18 PM

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Sure didn't work for us...

I'm pretty Dustin Penner being on the Stanley Cup winner twice has about as much correlation as Ty Conklin being on 3 Heritage/Winter Classic teams.

It only works for teams in California.

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10-17-2012 , 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929

Cool article I just read:

Dave Zirin: "Meet the Lockout Lawyers Destroying Sports"

Corporations are greedy and lawyers are evil. Got it.

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10-17-2012 , 11:45 PM

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fsw replaying 1st game of LAK/Van series.

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10-18-2012 , 12:14 AM

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Pancakes from Richards and Carter with 3 minutes left. Edler turnover. Hey, we might win this!

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10-18-2012 , 01:35 AM

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Corporations are greedy and lawyers are evil. Got it.

I prefer the "the father of modern economics and capitalism['s]" take on the situation:

Spoiler:

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Originally Posted by Adam Smith

All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.

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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and everywhere in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination, not to raise the wages of labor above their actual rate.

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What are the common wages of labor depends everywhere upon the contract usually made between those two parties (workmen - and masters), whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are as disposed to combine in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labor.

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It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine much more easily;........

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It is not difficult to foresee which of the two parties [workers and capitalists] must, upon all ordinary occasions... force the other into a compliance with their terms... In all such disputes the masters can hold out much longer... though they did not employ a single workman [the masters] could generally live a year or two upon the stocks which they already acquired. Many workmen could not subsist a week, few could subsist a month, and scarce any a year without employment. In the long-run the workman may be as necessary to his master as his master is to him; but the necessity is not so immediate. . . [I]n disputes with their workmen, masters must generally have the advantage.

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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.

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10-18-2012 , 01:59 AM

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That dude probably thinks Adam Smith had a share in that law firm too.

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10-18-2012 , 02:19 AM

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Adam Smith's take on hockey:

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10-18-2012 , 03:14 AM

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what a ****ing joke to say that after the last couple years when he was injured and pretty much got us ****ed

Riiight. One knee ****ed over the entire habs organization.

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10-18-2012 , 01:34 PM

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10-18-2012 , 01:39 PM

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lolol Zirin, tell us how you really feel about lawyers and corporate America

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10-18-2012 , 01:58 PM

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Nothing to do lockout wise but City of Edmonton walks away from Arena Deal.

Katz is turning into a slime ball but has all the leverage

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407598

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