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Better QB: Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, or Eli manning?

View Poll Results: Which is the better Qb?

Philip Rivers

198 12.01%

Eli Manning

1,337 81.13%

Ben Roethlisberger

113 6.86%

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01-18-2010 , 04:55 PM

#776

Dudd

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Both starting corners also missed significant time too.

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01-18-2010 , 04:57 PM

#777

Needle77

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Originally Posted by Franchise 60

wat

The injury he sustained was extremely brutal. Just going to rotoworld now:

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"I would have rather them said he tore his ACL and his MCL," said Dr. Craig Levitz, a noted orthopedist. "That's a much better injury to have. We can fix that ... Arthritis, we can't fix that." The Giants admit it's a serious condition, but they don't consider it career-threatening. One source said, optimistically, that "success rates on procedures are much better now than a few years ago."

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The arthritis can be a painful, lingering condition, but Phillips and the Giants insist that his career isn't over. He has nine months to rehab before 2010 training camp. The Giants' offseason moves will indicate a lot about their confidence in Phillips' knee. They'll have to have a fallback plan.

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"I know that the doctors felt good about it," coach Tom Coughlin. "So we are very, very hopeful and optimistic." He'll have to wait five months before he can begin running. Regardless of Coughlin's enthusiasm, there's a chance that Phillips will never be the same player again.

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We're not exactly sure what that schedule is and the Giants probably aren't either. There were rumors that the patellofemoral arthritis could end the playmaking safety's career. Phillips' status for training camp remains in doubt.

I'm not going to pretend to know more than this, but I remember reading in the star ledger that his career was likely over when it happened, that seemed to be a bit of an overstatement, but doesn't sound like much of one.

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01-18-2010 , 04:58 PM

#778

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Coughlin said a couple of weeks ago that he is doing very well and on schedule so we'll see.

He obviously could have his career derailed from it but I wouldn't consider that the most likely scenario. If he isn't the same player it'll be depressing since he looked like he was turning into a star.

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01-18-2010 , 05:00 PM

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Guess we'll see what they do in the offseason. I think that will be telling. I think it would be incredibly sad if he can't go because he was a fun player to watch and it seemed like the Giants had found a special player. I don't approve of any young emerging star falling off the face of the earth.

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01-18-2010 , 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vixticator

Phillips must be the GOAT worth like 100 points over replacement

the giants had absolutely no depth in the secondary at all, and for the first 9 games they were still ok, struggling only against strong passing teams

but then pierce didnt play another game. from what ive heard, he calls all the plays and makes the pre snap reads for the defense etc etc, and losing him was the breaking point for the defense

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01-18-2010 , 05:02 PM

#781

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qb rating: sacks are included in that, right?

fmp

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Flozell bitch leg'd Tuck.

i'm not quite sure if you're joking but tuck played with a torn shoulder labrum almost all season after getting tripped by flozell in week 2.

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01-18-2010 , 05:05 PM

#782

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Originally Posted by Phildo

as usage goes up, efficiency goes down

2009 proved that, right?

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01-18-2010 , 05:07 PM

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Needle77

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Eli's full name is Elisha Nelson Manning.

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01-18-2010 , 05:11 PM

#784

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2009 proved that, right?

lolol - hilarious.

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01-18-2010 , 05:12 PM

#785

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Flozell Adams is such a thug

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01-18-2010 , 05:15 PM

#786

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2009 proved that, right?

he had a very good season. no one is denying that.

look at his other two seasons where he attempted the most passes (06 and 08. both with 469 attempts, 37 short of this season). they are his two worst seasons by far.

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01-18-2010 , 05:17 PM

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I decided to analyze the rest of the team to see who has the better supporting cast.

Defense:
Steelers - 2 RANNNGGGZZZZZZZZZZ
Chargers - 0 RANNNGGGZZZZZZZZZZ
Steelers >> Chargers

O-Line:
Steelers - 2 RANNNGGGZZZZZZZZZZ
Chargers - 0 RANNNGGGZZZZZZZZZZ
Steelers >> Chargers

Running Backs:
Steelers - 2 RANNNGGGZZZZZZZZZZ
Chargers - 0 RANNNGGGZZZZZZZZZZ
Steelers >> Chargers

Receivers:
Steelers - 2 RANNNGGGZZZZZZZZZZ
Chargers - 0 RANNNGGGZZZZZZZZZZ
Steelers >> Chargers

I hate to say it but it looks like Ben has had a much much better team around him. Actually as a Steeler fan I'm really happy about it so I don't hate saying it at all.

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01-18-2010 , 05:18 PM

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loooool A++

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01-18-2010 , 05:19 PM

#789

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Originally Posted by JaredL

Wow, amazing post.

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01-18-2010 , 05:21 PM

#790

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Originally Posted by chim17

Wow, amazing post.

Yep and inaccurate.

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01-18-2010 , 05:23 PM

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lolol - hilarious.

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no one is saying ben is a fraud or that ben isn't good, he's not an elite qb and probably won't ever be, and that eli manning has surpassed him, and frankly all the people who were lolling at the giants the first 3 years after the manning trade can stfu

That is funnier. Personally I think the trade for Eli was pure rapage on the Chargers part. But that is just me (and 99% of the rest of the knowledgeable football world).

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01-18-2010 , 05:27 PM

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you mean giving up no-rings rivers and no-rings merriman and choker kaeding for a guy who can actually win?

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01-18-2010 , 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Phildo

So then usage does not have an inverse relationship with efficiency? Wouldn't the year he threw the most passes be his worst year?

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01-18-2010 , 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

you mean giving up no-rings rivers and no-rings merriman and choker kaeding for a guy who can actually win?

Yep.

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01-18-2010 , 05:29 PM

#795

chim17

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But Eli wins when it matters.

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01-18-2010 , 05:31 PM

#796

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01-18-2010 , 05:31 PM

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But Eli wins when it matters.

Yeah, he proved that in 2005, 2006 and 2008, right? 2007 was a great playoff performance but his other playoff performances have been pathetic.

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01-18-2010 , 05:32 PM

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Here are the 3 QBs ranked in terms of WIM (Wanting it more):

Rapeburger - 97 WIM
Eli- 84 WIM
Rivers- 12 WIM

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01-18-2010 , 05:33 PM

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Here are the QBs ranked in terms of Intangibles:

Rape- 5.79 Jeters
Eli- 4.23 Jeters
Rivers- 3.96 Jeters

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01-18-2010 , 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

you mean giving up no-rings rivers and no-rings merriman and choker kaeding for a guy who can actually win?

If San Diego got Big Ben instead of Rivers, they'd have won atleast 1 SB by now

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