Pittsburgh's entire offense is Ben running around and hitting open receivers.

I am a Steelers hating Ravens fan and I don't see how it is even close. Based on their overall body of work Roethelisberger is clearly the best of these three. It pains me to no end to acknowledge this.

I'm surprised Ben isn't on a pedophile watch list somewhere since he's apparently on playgrounds quite a bit.

Ben has tons of talent.
Ward/Holmes are a very good 1/2 WR. Heath Miller is an above average TE, he has had a great defense, which means he doesn't need to throw 50 passes a game. His o-line is adequate, but he runs around like a jackass "extending the play" leaving his o-line in no mans land where they don't know what to do.

This is pretty clearly Rivers > Ben > Eli.

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Player CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Big Ben 1374 2167 17269 63.4 7.97 85 115 76 215 91.2
Rivers 1056 1702 12942 62.0 7.60 81 92 42 96 93.2
Elisha 1441 2559 16693 56.3 6.52 78 113 82 133 77.6

Roethlisberger has rangz (multiple) and more yards/TD's than Eli, and more YPA and better completion % than Rivers....... Rivers has a better QB rating, but zero rings.

Can we stop now?

I think we can all agree Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding >>> Eli

Oh good. This original debate again.

I'm pretty surprised by the results of this thread. There's an argument in Rivers vs Roethlisberger, but it is pretty clearly Roethlisberger. Eli doesn't even belong in the discussion.

I want some of what the Eli supporters are smoking. He has thrown the ball more than the other two guys and has waay the worst stats. Ben and Rivers are close, I wanted the Steelers to draft Rivers, but things have worked out. Given that Ben has both a better comp. % and higher YPA, I think he gets a slight edge. If I could go back and re-draft there's no way I change the Steelers pick.

I'd say Rivers = Ben > Eli

As mentioned, the offensive talent around Rivers has helped Rivers a lot.

Ben won another SB with with Mewelde Moore as his RB - and a mediocre offensive line.

And the Steelers are 5th in passing right now and 2nd in YPA.

So saying Ben does "barely nothing" is ridiculous.


Changed my mind - Ben > Rivers.

rivers and its not that close

for all you ben fans that are talking about rivers having so much talent are ******ed. ben has always had a great running game with bettis and parker and now mendenhall parker and moore. he also has the best defense in the nfl for the millionth straight year giving him the oppurtunity to succeed and his o line isnt mediocre they r pretty damn good.
In the past rivers did have some talent but nowadays Lt and Sproles are averaging 3.2 and 3.5 ypc and he doesn't have all this talent around him that you guys are saying.

Rivers and its not that close

F- trolling.

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Rivers throwing like a girl > Big Ben raping a girl > Eli looking like a girl.

Ben did not have a good running game in 2008.

Rivers = Ben >>> Eli IMO, if you held a gun to my head I would probably take Rivers over Ben but it's not an easy decision to me.

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lol rangz

I'd say Rivers > Ben > Eli.

what's makes ben a good QB again?

let's see:

- hanging on to the ball and taking unnecessary sacks all the time makes ben sfawesome.

- or maybe it's his awesome ability to throw into quadruple coverage and have the ball tipped up and have his receiver somehow make the catch (skill game obv).

- throwing LOL interceptions

- his 1st superbowl he played incredible, must be why they won!!!! (sarcasm)

- having an unreal running attack (until this yr) and a defense that has been ranked top 5 every yr his been there

- raping gir......oh wait, wrong subject!

actually these things don't help the "ben is >>> rivers" argument.

lol ben sucks so much, overrated clown.

and i ****ing hate rivers passionately but i've seen him play a lot and he is clearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then ben and lol eli.

Rangz?

Rangz?



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Good post.

Throwing the ball more makes his rate stats more impressive. Using career stats when arguing who is better now is ******ed.

Don't you dare speak ill of Mewelde Moore. Why are you omitting having the a top 2 defense?

poast less...also FAIL at attempt at humor...

It is funny that when I said Ben was better than both about 5-6 weeks ago all I got was "LOL RINNNNGGGGGGGZZZZ" and was told Eli was better than Ben "ainec." Funny what 4 straight losses will do. Where are the Eli supporters anyway? Franchise60? Is Eli now better than Ben after that 3 game sample size you were using early in the season?