I would be very interested to see trubisky in a Jim Harbaugh offense. He definitely should still be in the conversation and given a mulligan

Not sure what you see in kizer tho tbh. As much of a ‘born winner’ Watson was in college kizer was every bit the born loser at ND. Iirc he was benched a couple of times his last season. Even if he has te skill set I don’t know what he’s shown in the last 3 years to lead anyone to believe he can be successful

It's not Kizer's fault that he received zero coaching in South Bend.

Houston had the #1 scoring offense with Watson averaging 34.67 points/game in his six starts.

They're dreadful without him averaging 12.63 points/game in the 8 games he didn't start for them. That's more than 2pts/game worse than Cleveland which has the worst offense this season.

It's Watson.

Sample size too small to say Watson. Did look great but I'd like to see about 25 starts before crowning him number 1.

Might also reflect that Savage, Yates are god awful. Those splits are pretty crazy though between Watson and his turd backups. They have played the Jags twice without him.

Mariota is pretty horrible

Watson, hopefully he comes back from the injury fine. lol at all the talk about his WEAPONZ but not mentioning his sieve OL, what he did in that stretch is ridiculous

You’re god damned right.

Phase 2 is when the tech bros price out the poors.

Mariota's throwing motion looks so unnatural so often that he either has a broken hand or (more likely) he's being mis-developed. You can see him thinking "I shouldn't run" at times, too. He's also less accurate but Idk if that's the new throwing motion or a lack of flow or both.

Eagles oline is also hyper mega elite.

Just listing another reason it’s #notWentz.

If I looked like a Jimmy G I would have aids and 12 kids by 11 women .

Are the Eagles WRs bad then? Just about every Wentz highlight this season features him running for his life while he tries to make a throw.

Did Kizer agree to attend ND without knowing who the coach would be? If it was that bad and he thought he was a legit prospect he should've transferred.

Lol at "hyper mega elite" Eagles OL. Ranked #18 in run blocking and #14 pass blocking by FO and Peters was hurt early in the season leaving the entire left side weak.

FO has Keenum > Wentz. FO looks at adjusted sack rate for pass blocking, no other metric. PFF released their top 25 offensive linemen this week, three Eagles in the top ten - and if Peters didn't get hurt it would be four

Man, I was wondering why you guys weren't including Bortles in this discussion. Then I realized that this is only for chronologically young QB, and THE BORT has transcended the space-time continuum and therefore has no age. My mistake.

plus if they had david decastro it would be five

and if they had 2000 jonathan ogden it would be six. so there we go turns out wentz is very much worse than we thought

PFF has 3 Eagles Olinemen in their top 10 for this year- Kelce, Johnson, and Brooks.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...017-nfl-season

Part of the Watson/Jimmy disparity is people are reasonably assuming that 3+ years of film study and experience would only help Watson widen the gap.

The disparity is because Watson was at worst a top 3 QB in the NFL for the six games he started while Garoppolo was top 10 for the 3 he has started.

Now that FisherAIDS is in the rear view mirror, in two years Goff > Wentz..

except ND had way better seasons before and after Kizer. People used this argument for Hackenberg too, he's just that bad. When you're making excuses for why someone's bad you're the one who's wrong (I did it with Cutler, so I learned from my own mistake).

I'm just ignoring this year because a) it's his rookie year and lots of guys were trash as rookies and b) he's on the ****ing browns but man I don't know why people thought he'd be good, wasn't in college at all and legit still don't get it.
I had Dak as UDFA and Wentz as like a mid rounder so what the hell do I know even if I wouldn't have drafted any QB the browns actually did and would've picked Watson instead of trading him to hou.

Still it's a lot of lol us when we talk about EV and how no brainer it was to trade down and now Rams/Eagles are already top of the heap and the Titans are just a middling team and the Browns are well, horrible by Browns standards.

What the Browns are going through now is what happens when you completely gut the roster, which wasn't good to start with, accumulate picks, and then draft with almost zero acumen. They've passed on game changing players almost every season, and drafted bad players, many of whom are no longer even in the league.

They've squandered so many of the picks that they've accumulated I had no confidence the current regime would right the ship. I'm not surprised that ownership sided with Hue

If they manage to stock the cupboard at the skill positions this off season Hue would likely be able to put together an effective offense that can hide the flaws of a limited QB like McCarron (who they might pursue in FA), so long as he's got a play maker or two. Gordon obviously fits the bill at WR, they have a young, athletic TE (no idea if he's any good). Adding as little as 1 good WR or good pass catching RB plus a league average QB and the Browns are probably a top 10-15 offense next season.

You can't tank forever. No owner should stand for it. If nothing else they owe more to the fans of the franchise. Competitive seasons where your team may not necessarily be at the top of the league still making fun viewing. Home playoff games are about as good as it gets if you ever want to see a game in person. Those things have value to the fans. Getting bounced in the WC round is better than not making it at all. I guarantee you Browns fans would kill for a home playoff game, even if their team were somehow a big underdog.

Sooner or later a Browns' front office is going to have to build a roster than can win some games even if the coach or QB aren't that great. Hopefully the next front office can do better at identifying and grooming some talent.

You’re telling on yourself.

lol ignore the other three but sure