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Best Young NFL QB? (It's MAHOMES)

View Poll Results: BEST "Rookie" QB upcoming 2013 season? (RG3, Wilson, Luck, Kaepernick)

Robert Griffin III

21 8.90%

Russell Wilson

64 27.12%

Colin Kaepernick

42 17.80%

Andrew Luck

109 46.19%

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10-21-2013 , 03:46 AM

#701

Phildo

doesn't watch the games

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 22,773

well he might be slightly better than #1 asset in the nfl josh freeman

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10-21-2013 , 03:59 AM

#702

vixticator

clutch

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 117,339

He's like the #0 asset

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10-21-2013 , 04:21 AM

#703

iggymcfly

runs good at HORSE

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 26,042

Jawsh >>>>> anyone that's played QB for the Vikings in the last 4 seasons (including Favre's last year). He's gonna look awesome with that offense.

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10-21-2013 , 04:33 AM

#704

vixticator

clutch

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 117,339

It's difficult to play worse than Ponder. He accomplished that feat in Tampa, now he gets to try on Ponder's team. I'm not expecting much, even if he didn't suck it'll take time to get acclimated to the new environment.

Game plan: give it to Peterson. Give it to him again. And again. Mix in some play action bombs. Should be the most simplistic game plan of all time.

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10-21-2013 , 08:30 AM

#705

Shark Sandwich

1-2-teddied

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 20,503

Wilson's 0.03 EPA/P vs. the Cardinals seems low imo. I'm guessing this is due to losing two fumbles deep in his own territory, which was partially on him, but also due to his O-Line (which will improve with the return of a couple Pro Bowlers), his receivers unable to get open (which will improve once Harvin is healthy), and fumble luck. Overall he played his ass off that game and that first touchdown throw to Sidney Rice was a goddamn beauty.

Right now I'm trading Wilson for Luck and Rodgers and that's it. And I'm not feeling great about trading him for Rodgers.

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10-21-2013 , 09:50 AM

#706

Das Boot

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Agree that RW has eyetested better than his EPA/P this season, definitely expect it to improve. Also still think/agree that people jumped the gun on Kaepernick being "fraudulent" or whatever, but imo RW has earned himself a solid bit of separation there. Think it's something like Luck >>> RW > Cam >> Kaepernick(/RG3?) in prospect value atm, with the most variance around Cam and no real idea about RG3.

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10-21-2013 , 10:10 AM

#707

Phildo

doesn't watch the games

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 22,773

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Originally Posted by Shark Sandwich

yeah i thought it was weird when kap got a slightly negative epa for his game last week against the cards (16/29 252 2 1, 4 rushes for 18 yards, 2 sacks) but there it is.

fwiw qbr (which i'm still not sure what to think about) thought both wilson and kap were pretty bad in those games too.

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10-21-2013 , 10:16 AM

#708

Shark Sandwich

1-2-teddied

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 20,503

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Originally Posted by Das Boot

Agreed on Kaep, and even though I'm sure I've called him a fraud, that was almost 100% trolling 49er fans. The dude's obviously talented and his "weapons" are real bad. That being said, he has looked legitimately shook both games at the Gimmick.

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Originally Posted by Phildo

QBR seems lolbad from what I remember of it. I'll have to look again at how exactly it's calculated, but I feel pretty good completely ignoring it.

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10-21-2013 , 10:18 AM

#709

Das Boot

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Originally Posted by Shark Sandwich

QBR seems lolbad from what I remember of it. I'll have to look again at how exactly it's calculated, but I feel pretty good completely ignoring it.

QBR is, conceptually, a strange completely-black-box mixture of EPA and WPA.

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10-21-2013 , 10:20 AM

#710

ClarkNasty

Carpal \'Tunnel

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Kaep is a stud. Luck>Kaep>>RW>RG3>Cam

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10-21-2013 , 10:23 AM

#711

Shark Sandwich

1-2-teddied

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 20,503

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Originally Posted by Das Boot

QBR is, conceptually, a strange completely-black-box mixture of EPA and WPA.

For some reason I thought the formula was public, but yeah I just noticed that. Maybe it's better than I give it credit for, but using a combination of EPA/P + WPA + eyetest seems better than citing a metric with an opaque computation.

Last edited by Shark Sandwich; 10-21-2013 at 10:30 AM. Reason: also ANY/A and SR%

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10-21-2013 , 10:32 AM

#712

KDebo

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,907

lol @ having RW and RG3 above cam

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10-21-2013 , 10:34 AM

#713

Shark Sandwich

1-2-teddied

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 20,503

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

Kaep is a stud. Luck>Kaep>>RW>RG3>Cam

I'd like to bet against this for the long term. Kaep is definitely more physically talented, but Wilson's mental makeup and work ethic are immense and more than make up for the physical gap imo.

Last edited by Shark Sandwich; 10-21-2013 at 10:34 AM. Reason: dare I say Brees-esque

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10-21-2013 , 01:12 PM

#714

Searix

NFL Swami Overlord

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 19,233

what's the problem with cam? O-line? Receivers?

I never hear about his team's problems

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10-21-2013 , 01:14 PM

#715

Searix

NFL Swami Overlord

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 19,233

Also i predicted at the beginning of the season Luck would regress to worst of the bunch if he lost Reggie Wayne.

Time to put that to the test :/

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10-21-2013 , 01:22 PM

#716

StoppedRainingMen

Player Hater of the Year

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 53,942

oh he absolutely will. not his fault of course, but what can u do. throwing to hilton 15 times a game is going to be comical, DHB's garbage, they have basically nothing besides fleener after that and fleener's nothing special. plus FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK trent richardson is a turd

if luck can still go hyper-elite without wayne his status as 1. luck 2. manning is pretty indisputable

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10-21-2013 , 01:33 PM

#717

Searix

NFL Swami Overlord

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 19,233

i agree

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10-21-2013 , 01:35 PM

#718

Ray Horton

banned

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Originally Posted by Shark Sandwich

Agreed on Wilson. Our defense played better against him than I think we did against Cam. Constant fast pressure and he was incredible at making plays. Cam just stood there for awhile and made mistakes; RW's mind is on hyperspeed.

If he can play that well against that defense at that level he's going to roll past everyone else. He did fall asleep on one of the sack-strips, though.